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remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Idk, when you have kids they kinda do but that’s already assuming you’ve made the choice to have them

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  • Engraver3825@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Having kids is an obligation you gave to yourself, unless it was an accident or a rape but that's another story. In both case it is a choice, and I do believe that humans must always make the final decision for themselves.

    I would hate being enslaved or trapped into making decisions due to external pressure, and while there are a lot of corner cases, I prefer freedom.

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    • PP_BOY_@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I believe the person youre replying to was saying that when you have kids you take on inherent obligations to care for them

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    That will give you obligations in society, but not inherent ones. You could choose to be have kids and be a deadbeat parent from the start.

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    • Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I see what you mean now. I agree, in that sense you don’t have to do anything. You could hold your breath until you drop dead and no one can stop you 😄

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• sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It is a fascinating philosophical debate! We don’t talk about duties a ton right now, but they are weaved the nto the fabric of US law. bostonreview.net/…/samuel-moyn-rights-duties/

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But US law isn’t inherent, either. Some guys just made it up.

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    • sunbrrnslapper@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I mean, they tried to enshrine what they believed to be inherent into law. It is literally the opening of the declaration of independence:

      We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

      It is a philosophical debate that continues to this day. But most philophies think there are some obligations somewhere. There’s even a whole Tav show dedicated to the discussion (the Good Place).

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      • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean, they tried to enshrine what they believed to be inherent into law.

        Exactly. Whether it’s morals, laws or obligations, it’s just a set of human made-up believes and ideas. And once you dismiss the idea of a god/creator. I just can’t see how any of those would be “inherent” to anything. That’s just we happend to agree on (and even that only works if you look at small enough communities).

        It is a philosophical debate that continues to this day

        Indeed it does. Then again … so does the debate about the shape of the earth ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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• Dagwood222@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “I didn’t stand up for the socialists because I wasn’t a socialist…”

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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Except they are part of the group, so that line makes bo sense in this context.

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    • Dagwood222@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Read the history. There were ‘beef steak’ Nazis, brown on the outside and Red on the inside. They’d listened to Hitler and believed the ‘socialist’ part of National Socialist. A lot of them didn’t make is past The Night of the Long Knives.

      Heck, there are the Log Cabin GOPs.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

      logcabin.org

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• Anomalocaris@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  i think interment obligation to stand for minority rights exist in all

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  • remon@ani.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’m not sure what a dead/buried obiligation is or how it is different from no obligation.

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