Comment on Plex now will SELL your personal data

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• rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  There are a LOT of pros and cons.

  Pros:

  • Developed by a professional, multi-disciplined full-time team with some security oversight.
  • Hosted caching of The Movie DB for faster lookups
  • Provision of SSL communication to and from your server without any special setup
  • FREE EPG data caching
  • Centralized server management from the web
  • Low-speed relay for those stuck behind CGNAT.
  • A REALLY solid mobile media player (sorry, but plexamp beats the pants off the JF alternatives)
  • Centralized Login for your friends and family with email-based password reset
  • 2FA already set up
  • A nice reflector gauge to see if you’re ports are open and what your limits are
  • Great client support on a LOT of devices
  • Search is fast out of the box, even with extensive collections
  • Their clients tend to do a better job supporting all the decoding features on every player

  Cons:

  • Not free
  • Not Open
  • They have a lot of your historical data and will eventually sell it when they sell the company. This is not going to be optional. That data is worth a lot and they likely already have enough EULA rights to sell it to whoever asks. Imagine if the MPAA gets in on the fun.
  • Their security history is quite dicey
  • The lifetime membership will eventually be enshitified as it’s not economically sound in the long run
  • They constantly change the terms of the agreement.
  • They constantly remove features people are using
  • They constantly push to share data between users
  • They constantly push Ads
  • They are making previously free features pay.
  • Their investors are starving, which makes them a liability.
  • Their clients are generally slower.

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• Muffi@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I am a die-hard Jellyfin user, but I still haven’t found a proper way to index and stream my music library with it. As far as i know, Plex is still better at that.

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  • Psychonaut1969@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Navidrome and Airsonic advanced provide a better music experience than jellyfin for me anyway and both are free.

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  • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I dropped my library in, Jellyfin indexed it and streamed first try. What didn’t work for you?

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    • SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Not the user you replied to, but for me, the issue I’ve been running into is with featured albums or albums with album artist metadata info filled out {image}.

      Its been a minute so I dont have the specific cause I was focused on. This problem was more prevalent in EDM tracks

      lemmy.ml/…/5fa246a8-22bc-4bfc-90f5-d9ff04b768a8.j…

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      • catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        I don’t think jellyfin does any tagging for you. Pretty sure you can edit it, but it’s not automatic. I use lidarr and mp3tag for that. Maybe musicbrainz picard on a rare occasion, if I’ve got a bunch of files that need to be identified first.

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    • Trainguyrom@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I dropped my music library into Jellyfin just as an extra. I’ve built up quite a collection over the years of CDs and always rip and tag them as I acquire new CDs, so while the collection is a little messy it’s sizable and mostly correctly tagged

      Jellyfin’s music playback has been buggy but getting better with updates. At the current rate of improvement it’ll probably be really good in a 2-4 years, but right now it’s kinda meh. It exists but it’s buggy enough that I don’t use it much

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  • RyeBread@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I’ve recently had really good luck with Finamp on Android at least. With the recent support of time lyrics in Jellyfin and Finamp’s redesign I’ve been using that to stream my Flac audio files. Works quite well with separate collections as well. Though, to this day I still have to force close it more times than I like to get the UI to refresh after closing it. Plexamp was tough to lose when I swapped many years ago, but the third party space has slowly been closing that gap over the years.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I think it mostly comes down to sharing stuff with others.

  There’s a lot of stuff in Jellyfin you wouldn’t want to expose to the internet.

  No idea if Jellyfin even has a client for my dad’s shonky old 4K TV, but I certainly wouldn’t be able to set up Wireguard or anything on it.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t expose Plex to the internet either

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• Zoidsberg@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  The lack of a PS5 app makes Jellyfin useless to me. We have a dumb TV with no casting ability so the PlayStation is out media box.

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  • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    $30 Android box solves this

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    • PieMePlenty@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      I generally agree with you and its what I did, but why do i need yet another device plugged in, draining power all the time? I dont want to leave an even larger co2 footprint and software support on existing hardware could aid in that. The android box is a workaround, not a green enough solution in my opinion.

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      • Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Because of proprietary garbage, copyright law and enshittification.

        If it’s any benefit to you, the Android box being Android allows it to sip power at an LED bulb’s level of efficiency when it’s idle.

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  • spicehoarder@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Have you even tried the web UI?

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  • Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Chromecast. Regular is cheap, and grab the 4K one if you wanna stream higher quality movies. Cost you less than $100.

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• DoucheBagMcSwag@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  They’re going to sell the data to movie companies so they can find out what is being pirated

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  • 3abas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It’s not hard to find out what’s being pirated, BitTorrent isn’t private.

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    • princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      It is when you use a private tracker and disable DHT, Local Peer Discovery and Peer Exchange.

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• rothaine@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Years ago, I tried out Jellyfin (Emby at the time) and it couldn’t do chromecasting with subtitles (probably fixed by now, this was a long time ago). Since I wanted to watch anime, I bought a Plex lifetime subscription instead, and I’m too lazy to switch.

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  • dantheclamman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It can Chromecast these days

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• LiveLM@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  People commonly cite more polished clients and clients available on obscure platforms like legacy smart TVs and such

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• brygphilomena@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  End user management.

  Essentially, accounts and passwords are not my problem.

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• rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  TV apps.

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  • rfr_Foglia@feddit.it ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    What is wrong with Jellyfin’s TV app? I use it on my Android TV and I don’t have any problems

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    • rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Not available for my Samsung or the kid’s Visio TVs

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• NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Because Jellyfin et al are all still very much “open source projects” in terms of UI/UX and it is still “missing” so many features.

  For me? The big reasons why I just use plex boil down to:

  1. Maybe 80% of the time, I can cache an episode or a movie locally on my tablet when I am going on travel. This is great if I am doing a rewatch of something or don’t super care about The Experience and just want to watch the next few episodes of a show in the evening. With Plex, this is trivial. With SOME of the third party jellyfin apps, this can be sort of worked around but then becomes a hassle to sync watch statistics (which episodes were watched or even where I left off because a buddy wanted to go out for drinks).
  2. Remote watching is similarly a mess. Plex has pretty okay-good systems to treat my home server as a “cloud” resource with a single forwarded port. While even that is very questionable security wise, Jellyfin is still “figure it out yourself”. Which can be done with setting up a vpn or using Tailscale but adds additional complexities.
  3. Plenty of other “quirks” along similar lines

  My personal opinion? For something that only “tech savvy” people are using more or less locally, Jellyfin is fine. For something that “just works”? There is no competition with Plex. And considering how many of the Jellyfin workarounds end up being “just download a copy of the file locally and watch it in VLC”… why would I use Jellyfin at all in that case when I could otherwise just mount a samba share or use Kodi (that is the latest incarnation of XBMC or whatever the samba share frontend we all used to watch porn on our playstations was, right?).

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  • ginopilotino@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I feel exactly the same as you, but i’d like to add a number 4 point: Plex has an offical app for every system/SO

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• CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Jellyfin is not as easy as Plex to use. Many of us are not that technically advanced

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  • Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    If you are advanced enough to run a docker image with Plex, you can do the same with Jellyfin

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    • CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      What is a docker? Plex is just a few clicks.

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    • Nutteman@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      My first time fucjing around with Plex did NOT include docker. I googled what docker was like 9 times over the course of stupid few months cause I just didnt understand it. Now I do, and I run it via a docker stack but very very few beginners are gonna go for docker.

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      • Luffy879@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Then how did you use Plex? Did you even RTFM?

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    • rfr_Foglia@feddit.it ⁨6⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You don’t even have to use docker for Jellyfin, you can install the server as a regular program

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  • golden_zealot@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I went to the Jellyfin landing page, copy pasted and ran literally one command, clicked a button to point it at my media folders and then I was done.

    What isn’t easy?

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    • JordanZ@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Sharing it with people outside your house. Added hardships if behind CGNAT.

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      • golden_zealot@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        Uhhh… UpNp or port forwarding is the same way both Plex and Jellyfin work?

        I don’t know what makes Jellyfin less secure since they both work the same way for this as far as I can tell…

        Can you be more specific about what makes Jellyfin less secure when it comes to UpNp/port forwarding?

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  • SaneMartigan@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I use samba (file sharing) and vlc.

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• MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  User sharing without opening my Plex server to the public internet. For Jellyfin I would have to become a VPN provider and allow people into my private network to share it safely, since you wouldn’t want to have Jellyfin available to the internet with their stance on security

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• x00z@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Because Plex used to be good but new it’s just pure enshitification.

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• ginopilotino@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  It just works and has a native app for basically everything.

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• Auli@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Sunk cost. It took me loosing my Plex watch history to say fuck it I’m going to Jellyfin.

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  • Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    I saw several solutions on Github that could migrate it.
    Assuming you use/-d trakt you could use that to re-import the watch history

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• moseschrute@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’ve been a Plex user. Honestly it was mostly because I chose Plex years ago before a lot of the recent controversy. Plex always seemed like it had a nicer interface, though I never really gave Jellyfin a try. As of late, Plex has started to add a lot of bloat to their interface, so at this point Jellyfin’s UI might actually be a pro.

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• scottywh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  I’ve tried Jellyfin and the Live TV / tuner interface sucked so bad I didn’t want to bother with it any further. Maybe I could have found plugins or some shit to make it more usable but I’ve had a lifetime Plex pass for almost a decade and it still works great

  Yes, they’ve made a number of decisions that truly suck in that time but it’s still better than the experience I had with Jellyfin or Emby, even recently.

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    It works pretty well for me personally. What was the problem?

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    • scottywh@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      The guide (or lack thereof) and UX was severely lacking.

      Have you used a tuner on Plex?

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• NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Can I ask why nobody recommends Emby? I’ve been using it for years with zero issues. The only thing I can think of is that Jellyfin exists and is free. Emby is sort of a middleground between Plex and Jellyfin; it has a paid license (lifetime option exists), but it’s closer to Jellyfin than Plex on the whole.

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  • paperd@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

    Emby rugpulled their users, that’s why jellyfin exists at all.

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    • NotKyloRen@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

      Do you mind elaborating on that? It sounds like I got in on Emby after the rugpull. It works fine for me and I use it without the Connect (online account) feature.

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      • 1hitsong@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        For one, they went moved from open source to closed source without notice.

        web.archive.org/web/20181212104719/https:/…/3479

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