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• demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  less than 10% of my games run on Linux

  I’m kinda curious to see your games list

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I couldn’t find a way to get a breakdown of this, but browsing Stream’s Linux compatible list showed just a handful of games I own (Portal 2, Dying Light, Terraria), and spot checking my ±20 favorites resulted in just one compatible title (Cities: Skylines). So I ballparked it at <10%.

    I’ve since learned from this thread that this information doesn’t accurately reflect Linux support, though.

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    • demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The list you linked is for games with native ports to Linux, not the ones you can run through proton. But dozens of others already pointed you to it, check it out sometime.

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      • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yes, I’m aware of that now, I was just providing background regarding how I came to the 10% in my original comment.

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  • But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    As much as you guys like to worship Linux, that shit isn’t mainstream compatible

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    • demonsword@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      that shit isn’t mainstream compatible

      That “shit” is steadily getting better, while windows steadily decays. That “shit” won’t remain niche forever.

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• gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I know you’re getting a ton of replies already, but I switched to Arch Linux two months back or so and I just want to say nearly every game I’ve tried works great out of the box, a handful of games required me to go to my steam settings a flip a switch or copy and paste something from protondb, and no games have failed to work.

  Gaming on Linux is so good that you end up flipping one switch in steam and get nearly perfect performance (with most games running identically or better than they did on Windows for me). It’s been such a surprise, I just played the Arc Raiders technical Alpha and I thought for sure Linux would fail me then. And it did. For the first day, then on the second day they patched proton and the game and I played all week and weekend with zero issues. It was fantastic!

  I would highly encourage any gamer who’s thinking about switching to Linux but worried their games won’t work to not worry as much. Check protondb for your favorites, but you can safely assume most game work out of the box.

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Thanks, I appreciate your insights! I wonder how many people like me are simply looking at publisher notes and under the impression Linux isn’t sorted. I’m genuinely impressed by the overwhelming feedback that it’s simply good, and I’m excited to try it.

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    • gusgalarnyk@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ya, happy to spread the word! I was hesitant for a long while for the same reason but then Steam Deck happened and I looked into it more and BAM here we are. It’s one of the more hopeful changes in this tech landscape - the growth of open source and/or free software that’s often equivalent to the paid software.

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• ihatefascist@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Sorry but how did you only have 10% running on linux a few months back? I run every game except apex legends, warzone and fornite… This is ridiculous misinformation of you

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve based my information on what Steam says: store.steampowered.com/linux

    It’s ironic you should mention Apex Legends; the publisher lists the system requirements as “64-bit Windows 10”. Same for CoD: Warzone. I honestly don’t know what to say about the misinformation accusation. Blame the publishers, I guess?

    I’ve since learned from this thread that it doesn’t accurately reflect how well games run using Proton.

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    • ihatefascist@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Not gonna blame steam or publishers, rather gonna blame the guy that talks out of his ass without googling it for 5sec

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      • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Why are you being so hostile? How have I been talking out of my ass? I feel I’ve provided a wealth of context here about my experiences over the years and how I came to this conclusion.

        In fact, I think my experience is representative of many people’s perception of Linux support for games.

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    • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Honestly proton running the windows version under linux is typically better polished, better performing, and more compatible than the “official” native linux version that most publishers put out, except in very rare circumstances where the developer actually understands and uses Linux and makes it a primary development focus. It’s counterintuitive, but proton actually is that good (also most official linux releases are pretty lazy, like “console ports” if not worse).

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  • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Complaining how it is misinformation and listing multiple examples of how it is not is a new one to me.

    They only need a games list of 30 games and the games you mentioned to have 10% not working on Linux statistic.

    Not everyone has 600+ games.

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    • ihatefascist@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Learn to read next time, maybe u will understand something in life, jezus, literally said i run all games except these ones, like what is that logic u use?

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• MonkeMischief@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Honestly I have a ridiculous pile o’ games like a lot of us do, and I’ve yet to find something (that’s not VR) that I cannot play .

  For reference I’m running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed with a 30 series Nvidia card. Wayland, two monitors, main is 144hz ultrawide 3440 x 1440, another is 1080p 60hz.

  First off there’s a few programs out there to get you “Glorious Eggroll” versions of Proton which add even more stuff Valve can’t distribute in their versions.

  This beautiful software right here looks about right: davidotek.github.io/protonup-qt/

  Steam works fantastically. Heck, Proton works better than native Linux builds sometimes! Deck playability is an even bigger mark of quality.

  Even EA’s silly launcher works. I got Titanfall 2 and that Sims 2 Ultimate they gave away ages ago working like butter.

  I also love actually owning my games, so I use Heroic Launcher for GoG titles.

  Oh! I even have CD games or old .EXEs windows would refuse to even install anymore! Don’t worry, Linux has got this. I use Bottles to have separate environments for those games to install to and run. Majority of the time it works great but this is where things can get iffy. But hey, Windows wouldn’t run them at all!

  Wanna know what made me switch? Vermintide 2 kept giving me BSODs in Windows 10 with some super vague error code that made me think “Oh crap, please don’t tell me my GPU is dying.”

  Nope! Linux ran it with zero probs once I fixed some small quirk to make their dumb little launcher work.

  Cherry on top? All my RGB stuff works with Open RGB or my recently retired Corsair keyboard works with “CKB Next”.

  The community has made incredible strides. My Win10 partition only exists because it has Windows Mixed Reality, which they’re abandoning. But not to fear, the Monado project is making HUGE improvements.

  Give it a shot. I think you’ll be surprised. :)

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  • el_abuelo@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    How are you getting on with VR? I have a Reverb G2 and if I can play Elite and DCS on Linux I’m basically sold at this point.

    I really want a new headset but nothing beats the G2 right now, without giving money to Meta which I refuse to do.

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    • MonkeMischief@lemmy.today ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Heya! Sorry for taking a minute to get back to you. :)

      So, last time I tried, VR is a little bumpy right now. I have a Samsung Odyssey+ set that’s simply fantastic…if Microsoft weren’t deliberately turning it into a paperweight.

      Wonderful strides are being made by the FOSS community however!

      It’s bumpy because a lot of VR kits’ only hope right now is a project called “Monado”

      monado.freedesktop.org

      (Right now it looks like your Reverb G2 is supported!)

      I main OpenSUSE Tumbleweed these days, and I used this awesome bit of software called “Envision” that attempts to automate the “retrieve all the correct dependencies and build the thing” stuff.

      For being so early, I was very impressed, especially since I’m no pro at compiling software and navigating Git branches and stuff. This is relatively turnkey. (In a tinkery Linux way, anyway lol)

      lvra.gitlab.io/docs/fossvr/envision/

      (The wiki here is pretty nice!)

      I was able to get the headset to function this way, as in, fire up a game and see through it and look around, and you can enable hand tracking, which is really neat! But I struggled to actually select or interact with anything using it.

      The real tough nut to crack is the controllers, but they have made some strides there too! There’s a branch that enables controller support, but it’s VERY janky right now, like, unusuable, but it’s cool that it’s going somewhere!

      The other challenge is smoothness. Expect a little jitter here and there, it’s not so buttery smooth like it was running WMR because they did a LOT of fancy proprietary compensation and prediction code sorta stuff to make that experience work.

      For Elite or DCS, since you’d just be using mouse and keyboard or a standard controller or something anyway, the headset part MIGHT be enough for you! I’d definitely encourage you to give it a shot and have a little patience with it to see if it can be acceptable for you where it’s at right now.

      You can also get a lot of information and help in the “Linux VR Adventures” Discord. (Ugh, I know.) Link here if you’re interested. :)

      Unless you’re savvy building a bunch of stuff yourself, I’d say check out Envision first, and use that to build Monado for your Reverb and see how that works out for you.

      I hope this was helpful! :D

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      • el_abuelo@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Thank you that’s very helpful! I’m pretty handy with software so not troubled by that, but I am lazy outside of work so I’ll likely follow your envision advice! But still sounds like a fair bit to do so I suspect I’ll kick it down the road till WMR finally goes.

        Thanks again!

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• Eagle0110@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  At this point it’s pretty much only the competitive games with kernel level anti-cheat that don’t work on Linux because of their kernel level anti-cheat.

  But then again, if 90% of the games you play are competitive games that require kernel level anti-cheat, you should probably consider expanding your gaming experience lol

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• EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Would “Steam Deck compatibility” be a good proxy, at least for Steam games?

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  • Sturgist@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yep! 👍

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• HowdWeGetHereAnyways@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I just made the switch this weekend. I have not had a single incompatibility yet. I have seen an oddity here and there in Helldivers 2, but nothing crazy.

  Oddity 1: In normal windows play async issues sometimes happen where a player steps on a mine in the other person’s client but not their own. They continue to play because their client doesn’t mark them dead. To the other person, they appear as a person missing some number of body parts (sometimes just a floating torso). We call this torso mode.

  Since switching to linux I have not seen him go torso mode a single time. He still sees me go torso mode.

  Oddity 2: The artillery rounds are color coded for what each of them does. Since switching to linux they only appear silver for whatever reason. It’s a nonissue, I just read them when I walk next to them. If anyone asks my character is colorblind.

  One additional note:

  If you install steam with a flatpak, you’re going to have to tangle with the permissions related to a flatpak. Once you add directory permissions for an additional directory via flatseal (for example, if you want a library on each of your harddrives), you won’t have to touch it again and it’s great.

  Maybe these issues are significant to you, maybe they aren’t. Ultimately, god I love my system starting up in just a few seconds. And having true control over it.

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• TheGreenWizard@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Its a fairly safe bet that your offline games won’t have much trouble, from my experience.

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• rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  idk where you looked, protondb.com is a good database for this stuff, from your later reply insurgency sandstorm and hund showdown are both “gold” rated, they should be okay
  but the thing is … you could just try for yourself, for free

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I had just looked at the publisher’s system requirements on Steam, since my experience with Wine from over a decade ago was a dead end. I’ve learned a lot from this thread, though, and it seems things have improved dramatically.

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    • Sturgist@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      it seems things have improved dramatically.

      Like maxo said, things are definitely waaaaaaaay better than 10 years ago.
      I’d say roughly 80% of my windows only games run as good as on windows, and probably 25-30% of my full library (not just what runs in proton) runs better in Linux with proton/wine than they do in win11.
      Mostly what doesn’t work is stuff with kernel level anticheat.

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    • maxo@feddit.org ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It did. I recently downloaded steam on Ubuntu and you don’t need to install any 3rd party stuff yourself. It’s available as compatibility toggle in steam. Sometimes you need to configure different version of Proton for games to work and they are slower to start. But they run fast and I didn’t experienced much bugs. It’s amazing, now after end of win10 I can ditch windows completely, as this and photoshop was the only reason I still have win10 installed.

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• SomethingBurger@jlai.lu ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  What kind of games do you play? Unless a game has anticheat, it is pretty much guaranteed to run on Linux.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “Unless your game is one of the most popular games that people play, it will run on Linux”

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    • ihatefascist@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Unless your game has an anticheat, forbids linux to be played with the anticheat due to cheaters on linux and still end up with an online experience where the cheaters blatantly wallhack and never get caught unless they kill a famous streamer in the game.

      Who even wants to play apex levends or cod these days? Riddled with cheaters

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “Who even wants to play the most popular games with the most amount of players these days?”

        Everyone, which is the point.

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Among my favorites with anti cheat are Insurgency: Sandstorm and Hunt: Showdown. I will reluctantly play Fortnite if friends insist!

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    • rapchee@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      i have just recently found out that from ps4 and xbox one up you can play fortnite and a bunch of other f2p titles, without subscription and with mouse and keyboard, with crossplay to every other platform

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    • cute_noker@feddit.dk ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Should be ok:

      www.protondb.com/app/581320

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Fortnite does not work on Linux.

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• Xatolos@reddthat.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I looked up my favorites, based on my experience in the past with unsupported games. Long ago, I tried using Wine, way back before Steam even had a native Linux client. I managed to get Steam to run through Wine but never succeeded in getting any game to run beyond a loading screen. That was ages ago, though.

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• VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Multiplayer games and ones that require Uplay or Origin (can’t remember their new names) have issues, but most single player stuff will run fine. You’ll typically have to run them via Wine or Proton, but Steam will handle that for you.

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  • poopkins@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve never tried Proton, but I’ve gone down a rabbit hole of trying to use Wine for running games a few years back. I’ll look into Proton, thanks for the suggestion.

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If you bought the game through Steam, using Proton is often as simple as installing it and hitting play. If you’re curious about specific games, search them on ProtonDB

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    • Faildini@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah Proton is definitely the way to go over using Wine directly. Valve has put a ton of work into making it seamless. I have a large steam library and have found literally only one game (Destiny 2) that doesn’t work. And that’s just because Bungie has gone out of their way to make sure it won’t run on Linux for “anti cheating” reasons.

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• mrcleanup@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’m on Garuda, every game I have tried has worked great, sometimes I just have to choose a different proton version with an easy pull down menu. The only game I have given up is Destiny 2, because they say they will ban anyone on Linux because of their anti cheat.

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