Comment on Jack Dorsey and Elon Musk would like to ‘delete all IP law’

• RudeOnTuesdays@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  UBI is a safety net for people that lose their jobs/can’t work. What are people supposed to do if no one is hiring? What are people supposed to do when companies lay off their workforce so shareholders can make more profits at the end of the year?

  Besides, UBI is the bare minimum to keep a person alive. No one is buying their fifth yacht with UBI money (usually that comes from corporate welfare money).

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  • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    At one point I felt similar to the person above. Tho I felt ubi was a bribe. As if to day we get things are bad so here’s some cash instead of solutions. I’ve since changed my mind on the matter. We need to be able to provide for people not corporations.

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    • jonne@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      All UBI proposals I’ve seen don’t get anywhere near what you’d need to live off, and even worse, it’s sometimes sold as a way to gut other social programs. We definitely need to do something if we really are going into a world where AI is taking jobs, but it needs to be something better (maybe just provide free housing, and other basic necessities if AI can provide us with unlimited stuff anyway?).

      But the way things are going, the billionaires just want to make their own personal wealth grow and don’t think what would happen to the rest of us in the future they’re imagining.

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        All UBI proposals I’ve seen don’t get anywhere near what you’d need to live off

        Then they aren’t “UBI,” by definition. The “Basic” part means “enough to pay for basic necessities.”

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  • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    More to the point, what are people supposed to do when all labor is automated and the 1% own all the robots?

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• FMT99@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Soon as corporations and “investors” provide their own wealth instead of extracting it from society.

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  • oud@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Corporations and investors provide society with goods, services, jobs and innovation. What do bums who need “universal basic income” provide again?

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    • BestBouclettes@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Not shitting outside, and catching or dying from treatable diseases, and income tax if they get a job. If they don’t have to live outside, everyone benefits.

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    • InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is that why they need free land and government money so much?

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      • oud@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Need it”? They simply want it & they have the leverage to get it. It’s a symbiotic relationship. Same way I’ll gladly do a valuable person a favor, but won’t help a bum. I get nothing out of it.

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• Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think it should. It fixes a lot of issues. There’s enough wealth out there that this concept could actually work. Any thriving nation should have a universal basic income to prevent all its citizens from succumbing to poverty. What’ do you think are the cons here?

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• Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The population is, just as much as you are the populations. The benefit of living in a society must be a two way street, but long gone are the days where honest work earns you an honest living.

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• avidamoeba@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The population is already your subsidizer, even if you work and regardless of how much you make.

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• ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Joined 7 hours ago and only posts certified shit takes with inflammatory language. Get ratioed troll, lol

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  • oud@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Ratioed”? Are you 14? On a platform where votes don’t even matter of all places too.🤣 “Certified shit takes” = differing opinions in an echo chamber.

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• ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  About 163 million out of 340 million people work. The rest are subsidized.

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  • spankmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hell, the massively wealthy like Musk are propped up with corporate welfare.

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    • Eldritch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What do you mean? Musk worked hard to get where he is. How easy do you think it is to steal emeralds from your father and pawn them to get seed money to start your own wealth? /s

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• Lifekraft@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Plenty of thing in life are achieved by people working for free in association and other things. Consumer and citizen association are working for a long time in history to makes everyone life better. Not everything can be ruled by economic insensitive. Some things dont generate money , like safety , laws , regulation , most of research and very niche technology. Some exceptionnaly rare disease wouldnt have any research advancement until some very rich kids get it , some technology for disabled , sick people wouldnt exist without being subsided.

  Some book , art , tools wouldnt be created without some people being born from rich parents, because they wouldnt be able to do anything else than work otherwise. If you acknowledge that , you can understand that an universal salary would profite not only for the poorest , but also for everyone else , with more research, creation and devellopment being made by everyone and not only rich kid that got time and money.

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• Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The population is subsidizing you. Everybody subsidizes everyone. That’s how society works.

  UBI raises everyone’s standard of living, both in practice and in theory.

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• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Hello Reddit!

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• zecg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  There’s literally not enough shit to do for everyone, some basic existance allowance is not a charity, it’s good for all of society.

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