If you choose the app first, and you choose Voyager, everything else - browsing, creating an account - is intuitive and just works.
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Hejej@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
I’m new to Lemmy and it wasn’t as easy to sign up and use as Reddit or other social networks.
First I had to choose a server. To do that I had learn the consequences of choosing a server. Once I decided .ml had a sign up process where I had to be approved.
Once I was in and wanted to choose a community, I think it’s called, I found there were multiple communities with the same name. Once again I had to make a choose without knowing the difference.
It all reminded me of the Paradox of Choice TED talk, ted.com/…/barry_schwartz_the_paradox_of_choice .
Finally I had to choose an app, as there is official one. Now I’m in Mlem, but I don’t know if it’s better or worse than the others.
Choice is great but for easier on boarding a first stop for server and app would be great. Like browser, you’re given one when you start and if you want better, you can go looking.
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
veeesix@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
For the uninitiated it’s basically a 1:1 clone of Apollo for Reddit. Hell, even the app’s name is derivative!
That said it’s still one of the best Lemmy apps for iOS and is a testament to Christian Selig’s original vision.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Yeh don’t choose that one, just sign up on desktop and use Jerboa ngl the reason techbros win is most normies do not want agency, they want to turn their brain off and scroll whatever the algorithm serves up as they do.
Technology Connections made a good video on this recently but I fear his plea will fall on deaf ears.
Just like this article, no one’s actually denying anyone the fediverse, we are literally right here.
Hejej@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Even though it’s first on the list when searching on the iOS Appstore I didn’t choose it because the icon looks… well stupid.
JackGreenEarth@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I tried out it and Jerboa on Android (from F-Droid) and besides for not showing user PFPs, Voyager is generally better.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Anyone want to clue him in on who runs .ml? I feel like it’s going to break his heart. But also, I kinda feel like he should know…
matto@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Please tell us! I personally have no idea
joanwestenberg@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
There’s some accusations of bias / pro CCP moderation on .ml
There’s some stuff about it here: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36255366
But I haven’t directly experienced any of this myself so I can’t speak to the truth of it. Idk.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
The ml stands for Marxism-Leninism.
coolmojo@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
ml is the Internet country code top-level domain(ccTLD) for Mali.
AnomanderRake@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
This is completely untrue and I don’t know why people keep repeating this.
ImplyingImplications@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
The lead developers of Lemmy. They also develop the mobile Lemmy app Jerboa (personally, not my first choice).
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
What’s wrong with Jerboa? Probably the only app I’d use for Lemmy.
Naich@lemmings.world 5 weeks ago
On the other hand, there is something to be said for having a small test before joining. I remember Usenet before and after it became easier to use.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
This can be said for the internet in general. Just look at the brainwashed masses. Without easy access to the internet via smartphones, Trump, Weidel, Wilders, Meloni etc. would never stand a fucking chance.
tal@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
I was reading some articles the other day, and the impression I have is that that’s really not true for at least Trump.
The Trump route was more:
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Conservatives in the US felt that media had a liberal bias. Whether it did or didn’t doesn’t matter for this discussion — that was the perception.
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Fox News offers a viewpoint appealing to conservatives. It becomes essentially the only mainstream conservative media outlet. Liberal viewers watch a variety of news media, but Fox News dominates among conservatives.
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Fox News — already somewhat opinion-based from the start — starts to veer off into conspiracy land. Because so many conservatives watch Fox News, this has a major impact.
There’s some back and forth here. It’s not that Fox just pushed ideas that were out there, but that they’re willing to show material based on what people will watch, and people watched it more if they ran bonkers stuff.
www.cnn.com/2021/06/08/media/…/index.html
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>When Donald Trump lost the presidency last November, Fox News lost too. But unlike Trump, Fox was never in denial about its loss. The network’s executives and multi-million-dollar stars stared the ratings in the face every day and saw that their pro-Trump audience was reacting to the prospect of President Biden by switching channels or turning off the TV. > >“We’re bleeding eyeballs,” a Fox producer remarked in December. “And we’re scared.” > >To fix the problem, Fox ran even further to the right. And here’s the thing: It worked. It was toxic for the American political system, but it was profitable for Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch. > >“Fox is a really different place than it was pre-election,” a commentator said to me, with regret, after Biden took office. > >The post-election changes at Fox happened one day at a time, one show at a time, but when viewed in totality, they are unmistakable and stark. Practically every change was about having less news on the air and more opinions-about-the-news. It was like serving dessert without dinner, when the dessert consisted of screaming about how awful the dinner was, and warning that the meal might be a socialist plot, and hey, while we’re at it, why are chefs so corrupt? > >And because Fox News is the primary trusted source of information for millions of Americans, including Republican elected officials and party activists, the changes affect everyone. > >Trump’s loss was a pivot point. >‘We denied the pandemic and now we’re denying the election outcome.’ > >Fox’s ratings declined in the immediate aftermath of Mitt Romney’s loss in 2012, so the slump after the networks projected Biden as president-elect was no surprise. But the precipitousness was a shock. Fox’s afternoon and evening hours fell off by 20, 25, 30 percent, even though the news cycle was nothing short of epic. For people at Fox who were used to winning for years, this was disorienting, and for some downright terrifying. > >“Our audience hates this,” one executive said to me in a moment of candor. “This” was Biden as president-elect and Kamala Harris as VP-elect. “They’re pissed,” said a second source. “Seething,” said another. > >I granted anonymity to these sources because they weren’t allowed to speak with outside reporters on the record, and because I wanted them to freely offer blunt assessments of the situation. > >Fox’s problem was that the audience suddenly had somewhere else to go. On the up-and- coming channel Newsmax, Biden wasn’t called president-elect right away. In other words, Trump wasn’t a loser yet. Newsmax’s 7 p.m. host Greg Kelly kept saying that he believed Trump could stay in office for four more years. “IT ISN’T OVER YET,” Newsmax’s banners proclaimed. While Fox only dabbled in election denialism at first, Newsmax went all-in.
There wasn’t really any major center-right mainstream news source other than Fox News, so if Fox shifts into conspiracy-land, so does the conservative public.
Ibuthyr@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
In Germany it’s definitely true. You can witness this process in real-time. I already know the “arguments” the brainwashed masses come up with and if there’s some new hot take, I usually go to one of the fact checking sites and immediately find said hot take there. It’s crazy how easy it is to manipulate the masses via social media. There has never been anything more efficient than this shit.
52fighters@lemmy.sdf.org 5 weeks ago
The best center-right news sources are behind a paywall. The crazy ones, those are free.
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gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Finally I had to choose an app, as there is no official one
It’s called Jerboa and it’s one of the worse ones, but it does exist
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
What’s the issue with Jerboa? It’s like Relay it’s probably the best one out there.
Hejej@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Jerboa
What makes it official, I didn’t come across it when I was searching for an app. I finally see why all the other apps use a rat as their logo.
zarenki@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
Jerboa has the same lead developers and is part of the same GitHub organization as the Lemmy server and web UI.
The logo for Lemmy itself is the head of a rodent, supposedly a lemming. Most instances use that logo or a variation of it in their web UI. Jerboa and other apps in turn tend to use a rodent in the logo.
EnragedMarsupial@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I registered using Mlem and it was way better than trying to do it via the Web. An onboarding like that would be much better than the current process.
Mendicant_Bias@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
Finally I had to choose an app, as there is no official one. Now I’m in Mlem, but I don’t know if it’s better or worse than the others.
I’m just here from Reddit after the Boost app finally stopped working. So now I’m running “Boost for Lemmy”, would definitely recommend it. It was one of the best 3rd party Reddit clients.
4am@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I did always think that a shared (somehow) login would be great; but how do you federate that? Do you? What if the original server goes down? How does moderation work?
It gets really complicated really fast.
SushiRain@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
What’s Mlem? Can’t find it on the Play Store. I’m using Sync which is pretty good…
noodlejetski@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
probably because it’s an iOS app
Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
As someone new here, what do you think would have really helped you without changing the fundamental principles of the fediverse? Like a website with clear information, or something else?
joanwestenberg@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I think we need simple, non technical content that gets people who haven’t used the fediverse stoked to find out more and try to get involved. That’s what I’m trying to do with articles like this - add momentum and tap into a big potential audience who are primed for this. But I also do want to put together a Getting Started landing page that helps people kick off.
I really do think we need to get people pumped enough to want to be educated about it all.
tastysaganaki@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
This article was great! Thank you so much for writing it.
Gexilla@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
Hejej@lemmy.ml 5 weeks ago
The problem is information, there is simply too much. I decided to join social network other than reddit. From that to posting on lemmy should be a one step process. 1 signup page 1 app recommendation
Really I should of just written Lemmy.com instead of being distracted by the whole concept of fediverse and looking into before signing up.
Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I really like how voyager does the onboarding, maybe we should promote going trough that.
Raptorox@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
There is an issue open on Lemmy’s github about merging communities of the same name together in the ui by an “all” button, but sadly it’s been inactive for a year: #1113
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
That’s more a feature for a client app.
tal@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
I mean, people do use the Web UI.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
There’s more than one web UI.
4am@lemm.ee 5 weeks ago
I’m not in a rush to endorse client apps adding large, experience changing features. That will radically alter the way different users interact with the service, they might need two apps to get all the features they want, etc
Sounds like a good way to make things even MORE confusing for new users.
bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
I’ve been on Lemmy for a while and still find the duplicate named communities on different insurances confusing. The number of users only somewhat. There are lots of communities still listed from dead instances like feddit.de.
Unique names for communities would be helpful.
GhostlyPixel@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I wonder how moderating would work in a merged community. Would mods not from instance X only be able to hide a post from that instance from the merged community, or would they have power to remove a post from another instance? I’d imagine that is one of the hiccups of a feature like this, it is a shame it has been collecting dust though