The only thing changed between photos is clothing and pose. Is that gender? Well maybe it is, but it’s useless for classification.
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BMTea@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“I’ve definitely learned that gender classifiers are an unreliable and flawed technology, especially when it comes to trans people’s gender expression,” Ada Ada Ada said. “I regularly see my algorithmic gender swing back and forth from week to week.
Says the person changing themselves week to week to fit different classifications?
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
If it’s one thing I learned from the thread, it’s that the word gender can be anything at all.
MonkRome@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s these bad faith arguments that caused the thread to turn against you. Gender isn’t a cat, and it certainly isn’t anything at all. You claim you wanted earnest conversation, but you undermined that with snide comments you knew would result in negative reaction.
knightly@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
Precisely.
Gender isn’t binary, there is no such thing as a male or female nipple. That distinction is something that Humans made up.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
To the extent that men can lactate! It’s one of the possible side effects of risperdal, which I have to be aware of because I give it fairly regularly.
spamfajitas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This got me curious whether the milk would be any different and, if I’m reading this study correctly, there’s practically no difference in content
Said study: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7462406/
JWBananas@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In 2024? Why? Risperdal is such a blunt instrument with respect to its broad affinity for receptors.
Apytele@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Dude sometimes we still give thorazine. For context also though, I’m essentially providing ICU level care, so when you say the word “symptom control” it’s often referring to like, fists. We had a Lady maxxed on Haldol one time and she managed to cheek for a week and eventually she just hauled off and rapid fire punched a nurse in the head three times. I’m unsure if you don’t work inpatient psychiatry or you just work somewhere significantly classier than I do.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I don’t understand this. We have two genders, how is it not binary and how is it made up? Honest question.
anon232@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Biological sex != gender. There’s not even 2 classes of biological sex. There are men born with biological female organs and women born with biologically men’s organs. We all as humans do share common organs, one of which happens to be the nipple.
Regardless of what your actual biological sex is a gender is simply a social construct used to identify someone. A person who is “non-binary” feels that their gender does not conform to what you would typically expect of either male or female based on appearances or behavior.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Sure but there are two major biological sexes. I can understand how gender can be defined as something else though.
Non-binary can decide what gender they feel like.
knightly@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
I’ll take this as a good faith question, and the short answer is that gender is a lot more complicated than that.
Yes there are two archetypal roles involved in sexual reproduction, but even that isn’t so simple. There isn’t just one feature that defines male or female, but a combination of traits including chromosomes, gametes, anatomy, hormones, etc. In the real world, some folks are born with features that don’t all agree with one or another archetype. Intersex people aren’t common, about 1 in 2,000, but their existence proves that sex isn’t just a binary. There’s diversity to sex that requires a more complicated scheme to account for everybody.
Gender, likewise, doesn’t follow the one-or-the-other model. Most folks are cisgender, but some folks have a gender that doesn’t agree with what people assume their sex is, or no gender at all, or a gender that doesn’t fit into the man/woman spectrum. It gets complicated quickly because gender is where sex and society intersect. Some cultures have different expectations based on gender, and some even have more than two recognized genders.
Cypher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This argument has always struck me as odd as in virtually every other discussion we would accept that the exception ‘proves the rule’.
Humans have two hands, except when they don’t due to something impacting fetal development.
Humans have two kidneys, except when they don’t due to an error in fetal development or as a result of disease or injury.
Or just let the exceptions be exceptions with no social stigma rather than refusing to recognise that the vast majority of humans, and mammals, can be accurately identified as one of two distinct sexes.
Snapz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Poster below gave you all the answer you’d ever need on this question you beg… If you have any integrity, add a note to your original comment to clarify that you were mistaken in your initial assumption and why.
But, doesn’t seem likely that you will.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s interesting that you sound so angry. Is it because of gender issues?
BMTea@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Their argument is that “gender is just a social construct”, without acknowledging that some of the most paramount aspects of human existence are “social constructs” (i.e language) and that gender is one of them. And without addressing why sexual taboos (like public nudity) are gendered - to them its a form of irrational injustice. But expore the social ramifications -through real and hypothetical examples- and you quickly find that it is indeed rational to treat bodies different according to their gender, and that human social psychology does have strong roots in human phsyiognamy.
1984@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
From the person I talked to above, they are using gender to describe how they feel about who they are. So maybe it’s just a word difference.
I’m very downvoted for being in this thread though and so are you. It’s a bit funny.
riskable@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Not true! The female nipple is actually useful.
Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Biological males can also lactate, it just takes a lot more effort.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Great, just another thing to make me feel like a failure at.
UNY0N@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Define useful.
Just a rhetorical question, I’m not expecting an answer.