Comment on Linus Torvalds affirms expulsion of Russian maintainers

vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I would encourage that, but if your instance doesn’t defederate them you may have to go a bit farther since you’ll still get replies from lemmy.ml users, as users are not blocked as part of this functionality. And that is by design, it’s not meant to act as a replacement or alternative to defederation, it’s meant to act as an alternative to blocking all communities on an instance.

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• selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I hope people do not do that and take into account this campaign against lemmy.ml. I am aware of the accusations against the admins of this instance, but I practically never see here this kind of brigading, campaigning against whole instances like lemmy.world. Sure, I myself did make a bad comment or two about lemmy.world out of >800 comments, but that’s normal. I think the fair thing to do, is to respond in the same scale (i. e. blocking specific users) instead of going all ballistic with instance blocks.

  I’d also like an option to just block/hide the instance part of user names. I don’t like what this bit of information is doing to discussions in Lemmy.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I think the fair thing to do, is to respond in the same scale (i. e. blocking specific users) instead of going all ballistic with instance blocks.

    it’s not just random users, the mods of larger communities like world news will delete your comments and ban you simply for disagreeing with their world view.

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      For this, some people proposed to move the community from one instance to another. Now, it seems to me like the incentive to comment on instances ideologically biased for people who cares about the voting system is basically to troll the opposing instance. Which leads to this petty battle that I will ignore from now on.

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  • Zoot@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You could also just move instances if you don’t want to be blocked. Hexbear, and ML are hot spots for the worst kind of people.

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    • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I know I can. Being blocked is something I do not have any issues with. My comment was merely my point of view. If someone is being actively bothered by the admins of the instance I’m in, it’s completely fair to block it. However, to block whole instances for ideological differences is kind of immature.

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• aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  This is about open-source being open. I’m a very non-tankie, and I think this is bad- though a bit better if its only people working for sanctioned companies.

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  • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Go look at the principles of open-source or free software as defined either by the OSI and the FSF and then come back when you find the one that says that Linus needs to violate US sanctions to keep employees of Russian companies in trusted roles within his project.

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      .ml is full of tankies. Also, nothing in open-source principles say that to my knowledge. Am I not allowed to have beliefs not explicitly defined by the OSI?

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      • TheTechnician27@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The OSI’s definition of open-source software is the de facto definition used by most people, and for most of the remaining people that don’t, they (mistakenly, because they define “free” software, not “open-source”) defer to the FSF’s defintion of free software.

        So yes, you should be explicitly noting that what you define as “open” has nothing at all to do with the far-and-away most widely used definition(s) of “open-source”.

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• InverseParallax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Seriously, the hexbears just moved one over to keep getting exposure.

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• phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Please stip blocking people, please stip talking about blocking everyone

  Yes, i gettit. Different opinions can be annoying but if we don’t all participate in. A similar environment.we all just disappear in our little echo chamber pillars, unable to hear or understand the others, which leads to more extremist opinions on all sides.

  We NEED to hear others, if not just for the fact that others may NEED to hear our voices too.

  I honestly this echo chamber crap is squarely caused by the Internet, the tool that promised to bring humanity together, and instead ended up dividing us more than ever because anyone hearing an opinion they don’t like immediately bans that voice. Can’t have anyone disagreeing now!

  I get it, there are some stupid opinions out there, dangerous ones too, but the more we ban them, the more they will only be able to talk eachother into extremism and the WILL be back, with more people, and more extremist opinions.

  FFS, we need to learn to start listening to each other again. An entire generation has grown up with “if you don’t like to hear that opinion, just have it banned”, and it’s not helpful.

  Early Internet was a wild west crazy town for sure, loads of assholes lurking around, but it was better than what we have now, where EVERY space is curated and hawkishly guarded against those that might even look in the wrong direction.

  I’ve spent quite some time on right wing subs back in the day in Reddit, discussing whatever topic with hard line conservative right wing types and when you do you find out they are human too, usually with a lot of fears, and you actually get to understand why they feel the way they feel, and you can get them to understand that yeah, maybe it’s not the best solution. You find common ground and got somebody a little closer to the light. Yes, I’m a big fan of that black guy (forgot his name) who goes out to talk to KKK members to convert them away from the KKK.

  I know this isn’t for everyone, but a lot of us can and should step up and start talking, start listening. I’m not saying st all you should agree with a neo nazi, but you can listen to him or her, understand where they’re coming from, and have them do the same. Once you both see the humanity in each other you can actually make everyone be a little better.

  It’s better than the alternative where the inevitable outcome is that we’ll start having civil wars everywhere and just kill those we oppose.

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    We NEED to hear others, if not just for the fact that others may NEED to hear our voices too.

    We have tried engaging in good faith, but they don’t WANT to hear us. For example, the mods of !worldnews@lemmy.ml for people for simply disagreeing with them. Happened to me and I’ve seen multiple others.

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  • P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I understand what you mean but I’ll have to disagree. Letting people just do anything like that is like not charging criminals for the crimes they’ve commited. It could make people act similarly.

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  • vga@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No, actually…

    … but seriously, the Internet is so different from real life that no comparisons make sense. Opinions that would have been uttered by the craziest village idiots in a local gas station 30 years ago are now distributed and magnified by the social media machine. In the past, you could see with your eyes and hear with your ears which people you really really should not listen to, but in the internet, those people look exactly like you and me.

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• SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Save your sanity and do Settings -> Blocks -> Block instance -> lemmy.ml

  I approve this comment.

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• spongebue@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yesterday I accidentally commented in .ml and mentioned that voting third party in our current voting system is playing with fire to get a worse candidate in office. I was told I must therefore start a grassroots movement for ranked choice voting, because apparently I can’t have an opinion without a movement.

  Normally I let a few downvotes get under my skin more than I care to admit, but in this setting it was kind of a badge of honor. Honestly it was kind of “fun” to see what people were saying.

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• rozodru@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  improved my lemmy experience ten fold just blocking that instance.

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• DaTingGoBrrr@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Some of us are actually normal

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  • dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yeah, when I created my Lemmy account I had to choose an instance before knowing anything about Lemmy yet. And .ml seemed like the default one to choose, given join-lemmy.org told me it is ran by the devs.

    Oh well.

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    • CaptKoala@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Similar story here tbh.

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  • eleitl@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Doesn’t help if the admins think you’re not. Which is why I had to relocate a community because of admin content meddling and instance users shitstorming in a waterglass.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I love it here as well 😁

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      • InverseParallax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Ee is cool, but your upload limits were crap.

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  • Dayroom7485@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I see you, hang in there buddy!

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• TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That instance’s mods blocked me this morning lol.

  The amount of people simping for Russia in that other thread is insane. Apparently calling Ukraine a country of Nazis is fine, but saying Russia is a dictatorship is not lmao.

  If you see a tankie or pro Russia comment, 99% of the time it’s a lemmy.ml poster

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  • acosmichippo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    yep I got banned from there for simply stating that ukraine has a right to defend themselves after Modi called for “peace”. Apparently absolute pacifism is only required from one side.

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  • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This topic has nothing to do with being “pro-Russian” instead its being pro-individualist

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    • TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’m pro open source, which is why I don’t want the Russian government interfering with it for their own geopolitical bullshit.

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I agree, but people aren’t their government. Discriminating based on nationality is xenophobia.

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  • Waryle@jlai.lu ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hexgears and of course lemmygrad.ml are of the same kind

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Yeah, but most instances already defederated from them.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      😄exactly! Phu, the brain gymnastics that those people are capable of is mind bending 🤣

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  • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can we see where someone is hosting a Lemmy (domain, insnace, thing?)

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    • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well I doubt it’s Mali.

      check-host.net/ip-info?host=lemmy.ml

      France. Maybe. It’s mostly guesswork, but gives the same location for hexbear.net.

      It’s mostly cosplay commies rather than actual Russians.

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      • SynopsisTantilize@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yea I figured it’s just a bunch of middle class kids who have the privilege of being online and complain. Also fuck Hexbear…all my homies hate Hexbear.

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    • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I guess, you got to check IP and see what country it belongs to, but if they use a VPS or VPN or both, you can’t really know where the person who manages the instance lives / operates.

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    • WhatThaFudge@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Sometimes it is posted on the instance front page or about page.

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