The vegan hate likely comes from people who dont really know vegans or only know them from the internet so they only know the vocal minority
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Prethoryn@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I love chicken, pork, and beef. I have tried the meat alternatives and I like most of what I have tried. I would be vegetarian if it honestly wasn’t so expensive sometimes. Not to say meat isn’t also expensive.
I work with a guy who is a vegan and honestly. I don’t get the hate towards the life style. Guy is as healthy as they get and morally more sound in the area of food than I am.
What am I missing on Vegan hate or even vegetarian hate. No one imposes on me. Honestly, I feel like they have something figured out I dont.
general_kitten@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I know several vegans and they’re all cool. The terminally online militant ones suck.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh, I’ve met some annoying ones in real life.
regnn@infosec.pub 2 months ago
Mostly bandwagon hate because of a vocal minority. TBH I find it amusing the people who really ride it act just like they are complaining about.
Also strict diets require more nutritional knowledge that some seem to be lacking.
AnxiousOtter@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What am I missing on Vegan hate
Here specifically or in general? In general, nothing. Most well adjusted people don’t form negative opinions about others based on their dietary choices.
On Lemmy specifically, the Vegan sub was promoting the idea that feeding obligate carnivores (cats) a strictly vegan diet is a totally rad thing to do. It’s not. They’re going to kill their damn cats.
Landsharkgun@midwest.social 2 months ago
Everyone who keeps posting this ignores that there has been vegan cat food for years, supplemented with necessary vitamins etc and backed up with scientific research. They didn’t make it up out of thin air as you seem to be implying. Sceptism or disagreement is fine. Painting the other side as lunatics is not.
Jiggle_Physics@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Vegan cat food being safe isn’t exactly an uncontested thing in the scientific/medical community.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=vegan foods for cat…
Everything from it being very hard to balance the nutrients in these foods, in a production sense, to veterinary science not being complete on what is needed for proper diet. The foods available aren’t great, and making it yourself is generally worse. Most of the reports of the animals being perfectly fine, when allowed to be closely monitored by experts, show that, while they appear fine, they likely to suffer long term consequences to their health, and often die of them. however it takes a long time, so regardless of the average lifespan decrease, which is abstract, and hard for a general pet owner to quantify, since the cats lived for years, people assumed it was fine. There is also a lot of mis/disinformation from the pro side on the actual QOL of the animals, both because they aren’t experts to know, and, to a lesser extent, data gets fudged to support their goals. This is not to say that the same can’t be said of the con side.
Landsharkgun@midwest.social 2 months ago
Sure, and good information for the discussion. This was my point: everyone was acting like vegans are actively delusional in feeding cats vegan food. While there are very much valid criticisms you can have, most people are not engaging with the facts, or with even a modicum of respect. Thank you for not being a part of that.
thecheddarcheese@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
why are you copy pasting the same comment
Landsharkgun@midwest.social 2 months ago
Because it fit both comments, so might as well save the work
General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They are a small, harmless minority. Isn’t that enough? Maybe it’s made worse by the fact that they are perceived as non-violent and effeminate, because of their strong opposition to suffering, even when the victims are helpless, like animals. There is no personal risk in bullying them. It’s like the hate for environmental activists, trans-women, or liberals in general. I wouldn’t know that vegans aggressively proselytize their life-style if people didn’t aggressively tell me so; something that they share with “the gays”.
Nelots@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The vocal minority of gays don’t call me a murderer for liking women.
blackris@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Sure, but maybe they would, if you instead of liking ate their body parts and would pay an industry to kill them for that purpose? We can only speculate.
Nelots@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Yes, I’m quite aware vegans have a reason to be upset. Unfortunately, equating eating meat or drinking milk to personally murderering and torturing animals is not going to earn them any fans, and will in fact push people away from their just cause out of spite.
That’s not at all relevant to the comment I was responding to, though.
General_Effort@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, it’s what they believe. What exactly is the problem there? I have never been called a murderer. There just aren’t that many vegans around. I don’t know in what kind of circles this would be a common occurrence.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Well, it’s what they believe
I’m aorry but this is a dogshit justification
redisdead@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Yet when a right wing cunt says what he believes about minorities, that’s a problem.
GetOffMyLan@programming.dev 2 months ago
Animals massively outnumber us. It’s not our fault they are cowards and can’t organize a rebellion properly.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 months ago
I don’t hate vegans in general. I hate it when they prostelytize at me and try to shame me into being vegan. And this it the problem many people have. There is a vocal minority of vegans that will attack others for not sharing their lifestyle (I’m looking at you, PETA). I have no interest in giving up meat. I will pick more sustanable meat sources sure, but i will not be attacked for my choices.
Don’t come after me, I won’t come after you. I likely will even try to bring a vegan option to a pot luck for you.
Landsharkgun@midwest.social 2 months ago
I mean, that’s kind of saying you’re going to delibrately drive a Hummer because it ‘fits your lifestyle’, and then getting annoyed when people point out it’s incredibly wasteful and dangerous. There’s a certain point where you have to acknowledge reality, yah?
Kalysta@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Reality is you are not going to convince the entire world to turn to a vegan lifestyle. Period. And if you attack people for not wanting to change, you are going to make them resist that change more.
We don’t have the economics for everyone to suddenly become vegan - it’s fucking expensive. We also don’t have the nutritional education for everyone to suddenly become vegan. People have to be willing to research that in order to not malnourish themselves. And most people are simply too lazy to do that.
Not to mention the massive amounts of food deserts in the country that would make finding vegan options for a fully vegan diet impossible.
Asking everyone in the world to live off vegetables and supplements is insane. We are not there as a society yet. And I have no intention of driving a hummer. It’s too damn expensive.
Just like eating a proper vegan diet is if you’re actually trying to meet all your nutrients.
Landsharkgun@midwest.social 2 months ago
Again, if you view reality - in this case, that vegan diets are better for the environment and for animal welfare - as an ‘attack’… well I really don’t know what to tell you. It really seems like something you need to handle on your own? Don’t get mad at people for pointing out that the sky is blue and the grass is green.
I will take issue with the idea that vegan diets are more expensive. This is largely an artifact of Americans thinking you need to eat the overpriced ‘fake meat’ - really, fake beef, as they never seem to include mock duck. You don’t. It’s not even slightly necessary. As someone who has been vegetarian for years, I always roll my eyes a little bit when people talk about it.
I can make chili out of a few cans of beans, some onion and bell pepper, and chili powder. Or tacos from black beans, roasted sweet potatoes, and pico de gallo. Or stir fry with mock duck from a can and frozen vegetables. Or curry with tofu and curry powder. Or a huge number of other things that are all very cheap.
As for supplements…B12. A bottle of 100 pills is about 5 bucks. That’s it.
To address your point about inavailablity…I have to laugh. Historically, meat has always been harder to obtain. A lot of vegan foods are vegan simply because people weren’t able to get meat. If you’re talking about prepared food like fast food, etc - sure, a lot of places don’t even bother to have vegan options. But again, if you’re trying to live off of takeout, you’re really shooting yourself in the foot as far as cost goes. Just make some chili with cornbread and chill.
jjagaimo@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
There is a small vocal minority that essentially equates anyone who keeps eating meat regardless of circumstances, preference or nuance. Honestly a large amount of people would take a vegan option if it tasted the same, had the same texture, was as cheap or cheaper than meat, was as accessible, and didn’t require learning a new skill set. There’s also the availability when eating out.
Antagonizing people like that is a good way to have them disagree out of spite, and the militant vegans always have a way of inserting themselves into every conversation. I had to block people on lemmy because I just didnt want to deal with that here.
Unfortunately a vegan who is a good person isn’t alwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they get in a non intrusive manner, so people rarely if ever see vegans who are reasonable people relative to vegan extremists.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
And businesses would stop burning fossil fuels if renewables had the same portability, same output, were cheaper, available everywhere, and didn’t require learning a new skill set. They can still be criticised for doing so, I’m not sure what your point here is?
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
That’s the thing imo, if
a veganisalwayd out there proselytizing at every chance they getthen they are by default nota good personeven if they do it in a supposednon intrusive mannerand are by defaultvegan extremistsimo. Proselytizing is in and of itself intrusive by definition imo, like ads.Feathercrown@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I think that’s what they said. Also is your ` key broken
ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
clearly workinglmaostoly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Keyword is small. It’s important not to extrapolate against a populace based on the actions of their extremist or reactionary members.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 months ago
It’s difficult when the small minority is much louder than the majority.
stoly@lemmy.world 2 months ago
But isn’t that what racist say to explain away their racism?