3878 Cybertrucks were produced from November to April, that doesn’t bode well for Tesla. Are there any recent numbers of the reservation holders for this abomination? I am curious to know how many have canceled their reservations.
Tesla recalls all 3,878 Cybertrucks over faulty accelerator pedal - The Verge
Submitted 6 months ago by filister@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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filister@lemmy.world 6 months ago
danc4498@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I know nothing about the auto industry, but that doesn’t sound like a bad number for a brand new class of vehicles that costs close to $100k.
Legit, I can’t imagine anybody wanting to buy this thing for half that price.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
It’s really is not bad, considering it’s a completely new design and manufacturing process that is using all new custom tooling and assembly lines. No other manufacturer in the world is building cars like the Cybertruck is being built.
Doesn’t make the quality any better or even excusable though…
DanglingFury@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Grand Wagoneer wishing they had numbers like that
magic_lobster_party@kbin.run 6 months ago
Allegedly there are 2 million in waitlist for this thing
Alto@kbin.social 6 months ago
The fact that anyone who thought buying one of these was a good idea has enough money to do so is proof that we don't live in a meritocracy
hperrin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Elon’s reality distortion field is almost as strong as Jobs’ was. The problem is that Jobs’ knew how to make a good product.
twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Jobs didn’t know shit. He made a bunch of predictions, some of them right, some of them not at all right. He just took credit for other peoples’ work, mostly Wozniak’s. The man was every bit the piece of shit Elon is.
Worth listening to the 3-part series on Jobs from Behind the Bastards: iheart.com/…/part-one-the-terrible-secret-of-1563…
EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 6 months ago
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 6 months ago
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Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Fuck I thought I alt tabbed back to dwarf fortress for a second
twig@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
You love to see it
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 6 months ago
Maybe that drink-o-drive millionaire didn’t whiskey throttle into that pond after all?
BruceTwarzen@kbin.social 6 months ago
Sooo... All of them who aren't totaled yet?
AdamEatsAss@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Good thing the glass is indestructible.
darklamer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
TIL: They actually built the Cybertruck for real!
aniki@lemm.ee 6 months ago
recalls are expensive…
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Even if Tesla sucks super hard, I agree with these complaints. I immediately checked to see if this was a “real” recall or a software one. Since they all need some physical work on them it definitely applies, but I really wish they used a different term for software update “recalls”. It’s confusing word choice.
deranger@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Software updates should absolutely be recalls. Ship a complete vehicle or don’t. I absolutely do not want cars to turn in what games are today. I do not want hotfixes on my car because they didn’t test. Fuck an OTA update too, I don’t want that either, if they need an update it’s a recall and the cars have to go back to the shop. I want it to hurt as much as possible.
nbailey@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
In my opinion it points to a more dangerous thing, “continuous delivery” software mindset seeping into safety critical systems.
It’s fine, good even, that web developers can push updates to “prod” in minutes. But imagine if some dork could push largely untested control system updates to your car’s ECU… it’s one thing for a website site to get a couple errors, but it’s a very bad thing if it makes your steering wheel stop working.
Unfinished products make more money, and it’s high time a consumer protection law clamped down on this.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Put your hate for Tesla aside for a moment. If a car company can fix an issue with a simple software update, it’s way more convenient for both the customer and the manufacturer. Quality control of an update is a separate issue but I don’t imagine there’s a difference whether your car updates itself or gets taken in for the update- the same patch gets applied in either case.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I dont disagree with anything you said, I just think there should be a different, but equally severe term for clarity. It’s not hurting Tesla so much as devaluing the word “recall”.
jkjustjoshing@lemmy.world 6 months ago
As someone who might be plowed into by one of these things, I care about the difference. Is it something where 80% of them will be automatically fixed within 72 hours by an auto-update, or is it something I’ll need to worry about for weeks/months. There’s no way to know which recalls have been fixed when encountering a vehicle in the wild, so if it’s a software-only recall fix that applies automatically, I feel less concerned about it once the fix is available.
None of this should be taken as support of recklessly shipping unfinished software into a car.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 6 months ago
I think you don’t understand the realities of software development. Have you ever tried to write an application that another person is going to use?
The software running onboard modern vehicles isn’t all from the vehicle manufacturer. There are computer parts in there from various manufacturers that have their own software, and all the various pieces have to interact. Bugs can show up later that didn’t appear in testing because no amount of testing can possibly check every interaction, it’s just too complex. And most of those bugs are relatively minor, things like the music player volume not adjusting properly, or a little lag time in the menus. The idea that every customer would bring their vehicle back to a dealer for an update that fixes something like that is ludicrously unrealistic.
abhibeckert@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yeah no - you’re dead wrong about that. My oldish car has an annoying software glitch and I bet it could be fixed with an OTA update.
It’s not a safety problem, so wouldn’t rigger a recall, and there is no way the manufacture is going to voluntarily do it - that would cost a fortune. When it’s under warranty, they fix it, when it’s out of warranty… it can cost thousands of dollars just to find the problem (the symptom is it goes into limp home mode with a vague ECU error which can be caused by almost anything, power cycle the key to restore normal driving).
The fact it can be fixed with a power cycle means it’s obviously possible to fix it with an OTA update if my vehicle could do OTA updates and they would absolutely do that. The ones that fail under warranty must be costing them a fortune.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What’s confusing about it? A recall in the automotive world has a very specific definition, and it covers not only software related issues but hardware related ones as well.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) is a part of the US Department of Transportation, and they publish a 20 page pamphlet that describes what a recall is. Here are the relevant parts from that brochure:
Furthermore:
In other words, federal law gives NHTSA the authority to issue recalls for any defect that is considered a safety defect. There is no qualifier for it having to be mechanical in nature.
I’ve had software-related recalls issued for both a Toyota and a Honda that I used to own. The Toyota one resulted in them sending me a USB stick in the mail and telling me how to install it in the car (basically plug it into the entertainment system and wait). The Honda one required a trip to a dealer to update the software in the ECU to prevent the cars battery from dying due to the alternator being disabled improperly. Just because these were software related in no way means they weren’t recalls. They were both mandated by NHSTA, both resulted in official recall notices, etc.
prole@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
I love seeing comments like this on Lemmy. Reminds me of early reddit. Super informative.
Lojcs@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Just because the government defined it that way 60 years ago when software updates weren’t even a thing doesn’t mean it makes sense to call a user-applicable fix a recall. It’s literally in the name. Is it being re-called back to the manufacturer or not
yesman@lemmy.world 6 months ago
This is a bad take. Software updates that fix life threatening defects are as serious as any recall.
It’s motivated reasoning. Either the people making this argument are Tesla owners, simps, or shareholders and are trying to protect the phantasmagorical value of the company.
Saying “my car’s drive-by-wire software gets more firmware updates than my printer” is not a flex.
ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 6 months ago
Yeah, it’s an extremely popular sentiment on the internet to scoff at software update related recalls as if they “don’t count.” 9 times out of 10 the person making the claim is a Muskrat, but every now and then they’re just a run of the mill moron.
These are not serious people.
kinkles@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Rereading the original comment, I didn’t get the implication they were trying to say a software update “recall” is less serious. The word “recall” literally means “to bring back.” So fundamentally, calling a software update a “recall” doesn’t make sense because you aren’t bringing your car anywhere.
As a car owner, now when you hear your car has a recall you have to find out if you need to take it into a service center or just update it at home. It would be better if these software recalls went by some different, new name that immediately conveyed what you need to do.
DoomBot5@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Right, because the recall for the icons on the screen needing to be a tad bigger is as serious as uncontrolled acceleration of a giant hunk of metal.
They need a new name for software update recalls and physical recalls. They both need to be serious, but a distinction is needed.