AMD’s new CPU hits 132fps in Fortnite without a graphics card::Also get 49fps in BG3, 119fps in CS2, and 41fps in Cyberpunk 2077 using the new AMD Ryzen 8700G, all without the need for an extra CPU cooler.
I was sold on AMD once I got my Steamdeck.
AMD’s new CPU hits 132fps in Fortnite without a graphics card
Submitted 9 months ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/8700g-fortnite-performance
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PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
EndHD@lemm.ee 9 months ago
same here. or at least i finally recognized their potential. but it’s not just the performance, it’s the power efficiency too!
prole@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Everything I see about AMD makes me like them more than Intel or Nvidia (for CPU and GPU respectively). You can’t even use an Nvidia card with Linux without running into serious issues.
pacoboyd@lemm.ee 9 months ago
I mean they make the chips in PS5 and xbox too.
CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml 9 months ago
AMD’s integrated GPUs have been getting really good lately. I’m impressed at what they are capable of with gaming handhelds and it only makes sense to put the same extra GPU power into desktop APUs. This hopefully will lead to true gaming laptops that don’t require power hungry discrete GPUs and workarounds/render offloading for hybrid graphics. That said, to truly be a gaming laptop replacement I want to see a solid 60fps minimum at at least 1080p, but the fact that we’re seeing numbers close to this is impressive nonetheless.
fosstulate@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 months ago
I hope red and blue both find success in this segment. Ideally the strengthened APU share of the market exerts pressure on publishers to properly optimize their games instead of cynically offloading the compute cost onto players.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Hell yeah, I want EVERYONE to make dope ass shit. I’ve made machines with both sides, and I hate tribal…ness. My current machine is a 9900k that’s getting to be… five years old?! I’d make an AMD machine today if I needed a new machine. AMD/Intel rivalry is so good for us all. Intel slacked so hard after the 9000-series. I hope they come back.
Vlyn@lemmy.zip 9 months ago
Intel has slacked hard since the 2000-series. One shitty 4 core release after another, until AMD kicked things into gear with Ryzen.
And during that time you couldn’t buy Intel due to security flaws (Meltdown, Spectre, …).
Even now they are slacking, just look at the power consumption. The way they currently produce CPUs isn’t sustainable (AMD pays way less per chip with the chiplet design and is far more flexible).
T156@lemmy.world 9 months ago
In fairness, computers have aged a lot better than they did 20 years ago, in the far-off year of 2000.
My computer is a desktop from 2013 or so, and other than some upgrades to the RAM (8 -> 16 GB) and the graphics (GT640 -> RX570), it’s still fairly solid, and will run most things fairly decently.
By comparison, trying to use a computer from 2005 in 2015 was a much tougher ask, since it struggled a lot more with even just bare Windows 10.
Dehydrated@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Common W for AMD
4grams@awful.systems 9 months ago
Now, if they stick one in a framework laptop, I’ll be a few thousand dollars poorer.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The good news is, Framework is shipping with AMD CPUs now. :)
Currently 7th gen Ryzens, not sure when the 8th gens become available.
4grams@awful.systems 9 months ago
Yeah, I was looking at them earlier, before I saw this… would be great to not need the graphics expansion, doubt I could have stopped myself from clicking “buy” if it had been an option :).
sturmblast@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Amen!
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Only downside if integrated graphics becomes a thing is that you can’t upgrade if the next gen needs a different motherboard. Pretty easy to swap from a 2080 to a 3080.
olympicyes@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Integrated graphics is already a thing. Intel iGPU has over 60% market share. This is really competing with Intel and low-end discrete GPUs. Nice to have the option!
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah, I know integrated graphics is a thing. And that’s been fine for running a web browser, watching videos, or whatever other low-demand graphical application was needed for office work. Now they’re holding it up against gaming, which typically places large demands on graphical processing power.
The only reason I brought up what I did is because it’s an if… if people start looking at CPU integrated graphics as an alternative to expensive GPUs it makes an upgrade path more costly vs a short term savings of avoiding a good GPU purchase.
Again, if one’s gaming consists of games that aren’t high demand like Fortnite, then upgrades and performance probably aren’t a concern for the user.
tonyravioli@lemm.ee 9 months ago
AMD has been pretty good about this though, AM4 lasted 2016-2022. Compare to Intel changing the socket every 1-2 years, it seems.
the_q@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Actually AMD is still releasing new AM4 CPUs now. 5700x3D was just announced.
ShustOne@lemmy.one 9 months ago
That’s true but I’m excited about the future of laptops. Some of the specs are getting really impressive while keeping low power draw. I’m currently jealous of what Apple has accomplished with literal all day battery life in a 14inch laptop. I’m hopeful some of the AMD chips will get us there in other hardware.
T156@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Could you not just slot in a dedicated video card if you needed one, keeping the integrated as a backup?
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Yeah, maybe. I commented on that elsewhere here. If we follow a possible path for IG - the elimination of a large GPU could result in the computer being sold with a smaller case and lower-power GPU. Why would you need a full tower when you can have a more compact PC with a sleek NVMe/SSD and a smaller motherboard form factor? Now there’s no room to cram a 3080 in the box and no power to drive it.
Again, someone depending on CPU IG to play Fortnite probably isn’t gonna be looking for upgrade paths. this is just an observation of a limitation imposed on users should CPU IG become more prominent. All hypothetical at this point.
GhostFence@lemmy.world 9 months ago
And the shared RAM. Games like Star Trek Fleet Command will crash your computer by messing with that/memory leaks galore. Far less crashy with a dedicated GPU. How many other games interact poorly with integrated GPUs?
sapetoku@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
AMD keeps the same sockets for ages. I was able to upgrade a 5 year old Ryzen 5 2600G to a 5600G last month. Can’t do that with Intel in general.
bonus_crab@lemmy.world 9 months ago
or it may end up making for a push for longer lifetimes for motherboards
le_saucisson_masquay@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
For people like me who game once a month, and mostly stupid little game, this is great news. I bet many people could use that, it would reduce demand for graphic card and allow those who want them to buy cheaper.
aluminium@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Oh, oh ok I thought one of the new Threadrippers is so powerful that the CPU can do all those graphics in Software.
sardaukar@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s gonna take decades to be able to render 1080p CP2077 at an acceptable frame rate with just software rendering.
modeler@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s all software, even the stuff on the graphics cards. Those are the rasterisers, shaders and so on. In fact the graphics cards are extremely good at running these simple (relatively) programs in an absolutely staggering number of threads at the same time, and this has been taken advantage of by both bitcoin mining and also neural net algorithms like GPT and Llama.
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Mind you that it can get these frame rates at the low setting. While this is pretty damn impressive for a APU, it’s still a very niche market type of APU at this point and I don’t see this getting all that much traction myself.
BorgDrone@lemmy.one 9 months ago
I think the opposite is true. Discrete graphics cards are on the way out, SoCs are the future. There are just too many disadvantages to having a discrete GPU and CPU each with it’s own RAM. We’ll see SoCs catch up and eventually overtake PCs with discrete components. Especially with the growth of AI applications.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 9 months ago
People will be building dedicated AI PCs.
Corgana@startrek.website 9 months ago
I agree, especially with the prices of graphics card being what they are. The 8700G can also fit in a significantly smaller case.
AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
A bit misleading, what is meant is that no dedicated GPU is being used. The integrated GPU in the APU is still a GPU. But yes, AMD’s recent APUs are amazing for folks who don’t want to spend too much to get a reasonable gaming setup.
ysjet@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Wow, it’s almost like that’s why they said you didn’t need a graphics card, instead of saying you didn’t need a GPU!
AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
Because the title is still vague, and yes GPU and “graphics card” are often used interchangeably by the web (examples: hp.com/…/integrated-vs-dedicated-graphics-cards and www.ubisoft.com/en-us/help/…/000081045 ).
“New CPU hits 132fps” could wrongly suggest software rendering, which is very different (see for example gamedeveloper.com/…/rad-launches-pixomatic----new… ) and died more than a decade ago.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
Reading is difficult for some folk.
Max_P@lemmy.max-p.me 9 months ago
Yeah slightly misleading but I guess they did mention a card specifically, not GPU.
But for a moment I was like wow, 100FPS in software rendering, that’s impressive even for an EPYC.
AlmightySnoo@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But for a moment I was like wow, 100FPS in software rendering
Thank you, that exactly was my point.
PersonalDevKit@aussie.zone 9 months ago
They state in the title and description graphics card, not GPU. Implying a dedicated graphics solution not an integrated one.
LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I can see Single Board Conputers with this on for powerful TV boxes. hello Emulators and Steam OS‽
Voyajer@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s what the article says…
flintheart_glomgold@lemmy.world 9 months ago
$US330 for the top 8700G CPU with12 RDNA 3 compute units (compare to 32 RDNA 3 CUs in the Radeon RX7600). And it only draws 150W under load.
Sure, for $100-200 more you could combine a cheaper CPU and better GPU. But I see the 8700G being an awesome option for gamers on a budget, or parents wanting to build younger kids their first cheap-but-effective PC.
I also see the 8700G as being REALLY nice for building small form factor mini-ITX Home Theatre PCs that run silent and don’t need a separate GPU. I’m exactly in this boat right now and the 8700G makes it an easy build now.
bonus_crab@lemmy.world 9 months ago
itll be a great upgrade for these little nuc like things , thin laptops, and steamdeck competitors
sturmblast@lemmy.world 9 months ago
That’s pretty damn impressive. AMD is changing the game!
SpaceCadet@feddit.nl 9 months ago
Meh. It’s also a $330 chip…
For that price you can get a 12th gen i3/RX6600 combination which will obliterate this thing in gaming performance.
barsoap@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Your i3 has half the cores. Spending more on GPU and less on CPU gives better fps, news at 11.
T156@lemmy.world 9 months ago
But isn’t the point of this post being that the CPU still runs games okay without a dedicated video card?
It’s hardly a useful comparison to compare the CPU on its own against a Video Card + CPU.
If it was the i3 on its own, that might be a different story.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Is this a pun?
Poutinetown@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
It’s about the same performance as a 1050ti, which is a 2016 gpu. It’s still very much behind entry level discrete gpus like Rx 6600.
Might make sense for a laptop or mini pc, but dont really see the point for desktop considering the price.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I think I might be the target market. I’m very happy with my 1070. I need a CPU and mobo upgrade imminently. I might just snag this and not think about a discrete GPU for a while.
Poutinetown@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
Do you plan to replace your 1070 or use it alongside it?
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
It’s a cpu… So that’s pretty impressive…
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world 9 months ago
It’s a GPU. It’s just integrated with the CPU, so you don’t need a dedicated graphics card.
prole@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Can I put a 1050ti in my 14" laptop?
Poutinetown@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
This is exactly why I said it may make sense for laptops, where mobile chips like rx6600 mobile will still be better performance wise, but you don’t have to worry about thermal throttling with igpus. This is nice for graphics intensive tasks on the go, but with the right laptop design I think a dedicated mobile GPU will still be the better option as a mobile workstation.
If the 15in laptop is too big, there’s many 14in laptops with mobile GPUs better than iGPUs; again, at the cost of increased thermal throttling. So if your goal is to play a game on battery with the laptop on your lap, and you want to optimize for price and size, then an APU will make sense.
northendtrooper@lemmy.ca 9 months ago
So will this be a HTPC king? Kind of skimped on the temps in the article. I assume HWU goes over it and will watch it soon.
YodaDaCoda@aussie.zone 9 months ago
The page on AMD’s website says 65W TDP so much the same as any other desktop CPU. Might be a bit much for HTPC depending on cooling? I dunno
I’m interested in this for my TrueNAS server to offload Plex transcoding. I’m about due for an upgrade, the current hardware is about 10 years old.
rushaction@programming.dev 9 months ago
From my understanding, transcode quality is a concern. I’ve unfortunately read AMD’s implementation just isn’t very good. That one is better off going Intel particularly from the last few years.
Jellyfin’s docs specifically talk about the issue.
Intel’s transcoding is also faster in the same generation.
Been debating which way to go for my next rebuild as I’m over due myself.
echo64@lemmy.world 9 months ago
The playstation 5 also does this.
Toes@ani.social 9 months ago
I wonder how well it does AI workloads.
XEAL@lemm.ee 9 months ago
Aaaaand the 7950x3D is not top tier anymore
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 9 months ago
I have routinely been impressed with AMD integrated graphics. My last laptop I specifically went for one as it meant I didn’t need a dedicated gpu for it which adds significant weight, cost, and power draw.
It isn’t my main gaming rig of course; I have had no complaints.
prole@sh.itjust.works 9 months ago
Same. I got a cheap Ryzen laptop a few years back and put Linux on it last year, and I’ve been shocked by how well it can play some games. I just recently got Disgaea 7 (mostly to play on Steam Deck) and it’s so well optimized that I get steady 60fps on my shitty integrated graphics.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 months ago
I have a Lenovo ultralight with a 7730U mobile chip in it, which is a pretty mid cpu… happily plays minecraft at a full 60fps while using like 10W on the package. I can play Minecraft on battery for like 4 hours. It’s nuts.
AMD does the right thing and uses their full graphics uArch CU’s for the iGPU on a new die, instead of trying to cram some poorly designed iGPU inside the CPU package like Intel does.