Submitted 11 months ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to technology@lemmy.world
There’s zero sense in charging anyone anything until apple decides to not find ways to block it. If there’s going to be a cat and mouse game going on, the product isn’t going to be stable enough to be worth using, so only die-hards are going to be willing to pay anything to begin with.
Them getting shut down so fast is not making them look reliable at all
The only way Beeper can make this work is to make it literally indistinguishable from a real Apple device, one that’s recent enough that Apple can’t simply drop it out of support. Seems unlikely but I’ve got popcorn so I hope they keep at it.
Keep fighting boys
Just cut the losses already my beeper friends
Just quit?
What kind of nonsense is that.
Their idea was based on reverse engineering Apple. How could they have thought it would have kept working. Bad business idea IMO
For people out of the loop what is this about? Is a new whatsapp clone being released? I read something about apple blocking something but don’t understand what’s going on.
I find that, generally, reading is conducive to absorbing information I want to have.
I agree with the other commenter in general but I’ll give you the bullet points.
Old news:
New news:
And that’s about it. For those of us that would like to have easy communication with our iPhone-using friends and family, yet don’t want to change phone ecosystems to do so, this is a problem that would be awesome to see solved.
There are folks that, either because of ignorance or pigheadedness, like to chime in on these threads that they don’t care about having blue bubbles. That is the least important aspect of this to most people following this, for the reasons I mentioned above.
Thanks. That helps a lot. I never knew that iMessages was integrated with sms, just thought it existed as a internet protocol like many other proprietary ones.
Basically it’s all the same usual problem of using a closed proprietary chat protocol that a single stake holder has the power to change however and whenever they want.
Like whatsap, facebook and others which any alternative has to keep catching up to the changes that the companies do and which is very hard to maintain the reverse engineered protocols.
It never crossed my mind that I don’t usually see alternative clients for imessage, but makes sense, didn’t think it would be so hard to do.
So these guys came up with a implementation that works and apple just wants to crush them to destroy any alternatives. Business as usual.
dinckelman@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I admire their dedication, but at the same time strongly disagree with asking people to pay money for a service, that’s fundamentally based on a hole in a reverse engineered protocol. They won’t win this
doc@kbin.social 11 months ago
They had to build a notification relay server for those to work. They're doing more than riding on apples services for free. They had to build and run a notification relay server to make this work.
Same thing that's been in the news about some sharing info with police. The comment of the messages are ete encrypted but notifications of who is talking to who is not
zeppo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My injection wouldn’t be that they didn’t put in enough effort, because it was clearly a lot, but that the service is a doomed idea.
Rootiest@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Beeper Mini’s GCM server only handles a “new message waiting” trigger, it doesn’t contain any private data like who the message is from our its contents, just that a new message is available.
Rootiest@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m happy to pay to support them.
If you’d rather not pay the Beeper Cloud service is free and all of the matrix bridges it uses are open source.
The source code behind how Beeper Mini works is available as well but will require a client or some sort to be written since you can’t just use a matrix bridge and a matrix app.
homicidalrobot@lemm.ee 11 months ago
You should look at american legal precedent surrounding reverse engineering. Legally speaking, it’s quite hopeful.
kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 11 months ago
If the open source community could provide such a service for free I think they would have done it already?
But presumably they lack the ability, the motivation or both.
4z01235@lemmy.world 11 months ago
They did. That’s why Beeper Mini exists.
github.com/JJTech0130/pypush
jjtech.dev/…/imessage-explained/
wired.com/…/beeper-android-iphone-texting-blue-bu…
sneakyninjapants@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
They did. Its called airmessage. Has been around for almost 3 years now
x4740N@lemmy.world 11 months ago
As much as I want it to he open source what epuld tue risks be of apple finding a way to patch any exploits by looking at the open source code
paulsmith@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I wouldn’t mind paying $2 a month for Beeper. I’ve been using it for months to consolidate all of my messaging apps. It’s worth $2 a month for me. Beeper Mini is just iMessage, so I don’t know if it’s worth it for me. They said they’ll eventually move all of the other chat services over to Beeper Mini, at which point it will just be Beeper.