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I miss windows 7
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Submitted 11 months ago by AtmaJnana@lemmy.world to youshouldknow@lemmy.world
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SplashJackson@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yup. A lot of people say XP was the best but IMO that’s just nostalgia talking. XP was pretty unstable, horrendously insecure to an extreme degree, and missing a lot of creature comforts.
It was so common for one program not responding to freeze up the whole system and necessitate a reboot. Just made it frustrating to use. There are some things I miss though.
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 11 months ago
Imagine running KDE as root. That’s essentially what running XP was as most people use it with an Administrator account.
TheGalacticVoid@lemm.ee 11 months ago
7 didn’t have nearly as iconic sounds or theming and didn’t have Space Cadet. I’m genuinely far more nostalgic for Windows 8 than Windows 7.
Skimmer@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Last good version of Windows, RIP 🙏
grimaferve@fedia.io 11 months ago
I miss Vista. There's nothing out there that replicates that feeling of booting it for the first time. Especially after years of XP... I got lucky though, I didn't get on board until after SP1 had released so it wasn't too bad and my laptop was above recommended spec for Home Premium.
MiltownClowns@lemmy.world 11 months ago
everything after xp was bloat
PixxlMan@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Peak computing.
MossyFeathers@pawb.social 11 months ago
Thankfully, Windows 11 is supposedly incompatible with my 2-3yr old PC, so I don’t have to worry about Microsoft pushing it on me. It’s probably just a bios thing I have enabled/disabled, but I’ll be hanging onto windows 10 until Microsoft discontinues updates, and then probably move to Linux. The reason why I haven’t yet is because the Nvidia Linux drivers are apparently still not that great and don’t support all of the GPU features.
fatzgebum@feddit.de 11 months ago
Maybe your mainboard doesn’t have a TPM-chip. In that case Windows will tell you that your computer is not compatible with Windows 11.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
TPM is almost 15 years old.
Their motherboard most likely does have a TPM chip, it just isn’t activated in the BIOS.
7u5k3n@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I was going to say…
Obligatory use Linux comment.
I then noticed your link at the bottom.
Thanks for the write up op!
Romkslrqusz@lemm.ee 11 months ago
I got blind-sided by having Windows 11 pushed onto my workstation
The upgrade is not automatic. You interacted with a prompt to approve the upgrade, you just might not realize it because it may have been on impulse.
I manage Windows installations for tons of folks and I’ve never seen the level of repeated prompting / nagging you’re describing.
For anyone who has wanted to stick with 10, it has been enough to decline the upgrade from the full screen prompt and then choose “Stay on Windows 10 for now” from Windows Update.
It’s possible that your registry changes had something to do with your unusual experience. I run into a lot of folks who complain about OneDrive “ruining their computer” after they’ve tried some obscure method of disabling it when all they had to do was uninstall the program like any other.
Don’t get me wrong, there’s plenty Microsoft does wrong but compared to the Windows 10 shitshow I’ve found they’re actually handling this transition quite well.
Reminder that a lot of these design trends are intended for the average basic user, not power users with strong preferences. They make up the majority and need quite a bit of handholding.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Yeah, and if it really bothers you, just disable TPM in your BIOS and it will be incapable of updating to Windows 11 without jumping through hoops.
Gecko@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The easiest way to block an auto-upgrade to Win11 is to just disable TPM in the BIOS. That way Windows will see the PC as not Win11 compatible and not perform the upgrade.
v81@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I hear there are cases where people need TPM, but I don’t, and switching it off is a great way to avoid this crap.
NaoPb@eviltoast.org 11 months ago
So you could say you’re stuck bij day 11.
____@infosec.pub 11 months ago
My official work machine is eventually going to get forced to 11. But thanks to corporate America being relatively slow to respond (thanks, leadership!), that will be sometime in 2024Q4 or later.
Everything else, including the machines I use to get most of my work actually done, is non-MS.
Thanks for the PSA, the threat is real.
stevecole90099@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Fuck, I wish my company moved that fast. I’ll likely be dealing with trying to get hundreds of systems upgraded or replaced to Windows 11 sometime in 2028q4. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ At least it gives me some time to breathe. We just finished our last upgrades to Windows 10 last year. 😢
spudwart@spudwart.com 11 months ago
Damn, two repeats. First windows 12 having no start button and now forcing users to update to windows 11. God am I happy I don’t main windows anymore.
But also, I’d like to remind Microsoft the reason they let anyone downgrade back from windows 10 indefinitely was because their forced upgrades lost a company $$$ and they got sued for it and lost.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
I don’t understand the gate towards windows 11. Even if it is mostly just a reskinned 10, I still find it much better to work with. My work pc is 11 and my gaming pc is 10 (Im getting real sick of my gaming pc’s interface now)
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are certainly some good things about Win11 the new UI (in the few areas where it’s actually bloody used) looks good, albeit a blatant ripoff of what you see in a couple of Linux DEs (Gnome and KDE).
The new window tiling is great.
The start menu opening in the middle is arguably better for keyboard users as you press the Windows key and your programs open in the centre, rather than a small box in the corner, that you have to move your eyes/mouse to.
(It’s worse if you open the menu with a mouse though)
The problem is that they also continued with a lot of bad stuff. Even more ads. Even more data collection. Forcing their programs on you. Dark patterns. Stupid system requirements. Even more bloat.
Microsoft did this exact same thing with 10. They entice you with a few really good features, then add a load of bad shit alongside it.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
In the uk, I get no ads on mine, but i also use StartAllBack or StartIsBack to get the feel of the windows 11 start menu with the win 11 theming and a really skinny taskbar, so it could be that hiding it all.
Narauko@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Little problems here and there for me personally, but the deal breaker for me is that over/under monitor configuration is impossible because Microsoft insists that the taskbar must be locked in the same place on all monitors and it cannot be placed at the top of the display. If they want to force lockdown to iOS levels of “customization” because I apparently cannot be trusted to organize my own desktop, they can fuck right off.
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Does StartAllBack fix that at all?
Default_Defect@midwest.social 11 months ago
Lemmy only uses stuff that’s 90% as good as the mainstream option and takes previous knowledge to work around it’s many issues, but they’ll tell you it’s flawless because they forgot all of the configuring they did previously.
Sanyanov@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Uh, no I had an absolutely normie non-tech brother who came to me asking me to install him Linux. It was Debian. He wanted something rock stable. He never looked back since.
Linux is not just a technomaniac’s dream or a product of our privacy/configurability/something-else-maximalism. While many of us come there looking for that, we end up with much more - a truly snappy system, without bloat, without all distractions, automatic updates, and corporate shit pushed on.
As that same brother said to me: “It’s such peace and quiet. You turn on your PC - and you’re all set to do whatever you have to do”
Also, Linux with reasonable modern DEs doesn’t ever require a normie to go terminal. Like, at all. It’s just that Lemmy users are more techy, and they’d need such advanced features in Windows too.
If you ask me, one of the primary reasons normies don’t regularly use Linux is because they don’t know what Linux even is. For them Windows is computer. Then there are some who know of Linux, but think “it’s more of a server thing”. Then there are some who played around with it in VM, but saw it more as a toy. And then there are brave souls who actually did a switch.
For all I know, most of the latter never looked back.
sanguinepar@lemmy.world 11 months ago
In short, no Quick Launch toolbar, no Win 11 for me. Shame as I’d like to try it but the QL is a deal-breaker.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
What do you mean there’s no stick launch toolbar? You can pin stuff to the taskbar. Doesn’t that act the same way?
AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Personally, I’ve found Win11 to be snappier and more responsive than Win10. It has taken a couple things to get it working for me though (StartAllBack, Fancy Zones, Display Fusion, etc.)
Blahblahinb4linux, I use Mint and Ubuntu and KDE Plasma, too. Sometimes MacOS, but fuck that noise.
That said, on one of my systems the Win11 was sluggish and slow for no apparent reason. I ended up factory resetting it (to Win11 instead of Win10) and it was magically some 5x better. Not honestly sure what went wrong during the upgrade process.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
StartAllBack and PowerZones, heck pretty much everything in PowerToys is great. PowerToys should just be standard windows features.
I’ve also dabbled with Linux from time to time (i really like Linux Mint) but for my work we use a lot of Microsoft tools so it makes sense to stay with Windows, I can’t get VS Code to work the way I want it to coming from Visual Studio, I’ve tried so many times but running and debugging just befuddles me and I dont have the time to spend looking at all of the configurations due to to tight deadlines.
LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So much effort to avoid an upgrade. Crazy.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s quite literally nothing new or better on w11 to w10.
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Security for one is a big one. There is a reason why older computers aren’t capable of upgrading. That wasn’t just some fancy gatekeeping.
Then the Windows Tiling is also much better.
Better support for touchscreen if you are into that. (a lot of people are)
Native support for Android apps
Auto HDR on non-HDR games
And just straight up better performance.
Saying there is nothing new can only come from a place of ignorance.
guyrocket@kbin.social 11 months ago
Just bought a machine with Win 11 pre-installed. I assume I cannot do a rollback but is it possible to move back to Win 10 without paying for it?
AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It is possible, albeit not according to MS. The Windows 11 license does not entitle you to a Windows 10 install. Fortunately, it’s trivially easy to install Windows 10 and just run one of the various activation scripts on Github (which is owned by MS themselves.) e.g.this one: github.com/…/Microsoft-Activation-Scripts
sturlabragason@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I like how you had the good sense to shut all us Linux fanboys the fuck up really early in your post 😅
transientpunk@sh.itjust.works 11 months ago
Yeah, I stopped reading after he told me to pound sand in the beginning.
SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Techvegan
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 11 months ago
Honestly, it is the only way to remove all the “just switch to Linux” comments that are just straight up unhelpful.