Peertube's moment might come soon

Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨sexy_peach@feddit.de⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

cross-posted from: feddit.de/post/5294605

Youtube, for so many years, was just too good. Yes, they changed the 5 star rating system to likes and dislikes and a few years later disabled dislikes altogether, but their algorithm mostly digs up interesting content and it just works for creators and viewers.

This might change soon. Their new strategy to disallow ad-blockers will frustrate a certain kind of viewer. Those who dislike surveillance and like open-source tech, those who use uBlock Origin and know why.

Just like a few years ago mastodon suddenly reached a certain kind of popularity, because twitter had their first big fuckup, maybe Peertube is next. It certainly is the most polished decentralized solution that doesn’t use a blockchain. Creators or fans could easily host their own videos, fans can watch it, without ads.

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scytale@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The problem with a decentralized video platform as compared to forum/microblogging (lemmy, mastodon) is that it takes a ton more resources to host videos. While anyone can host a lemmy or mastodon instance in their bedroom, hosting videos requires more bandwidth and storage that costs money. Sure there will eventually be bigger instances that will emerge that are professionally maintained, but they will still rely on donations and the instance admin’s own time and effort to do so. I would love for this to happen and actually make a dent on youtube’s monopoly, but it’s not as easy as it looks.

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- new_guy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Sharing video is such a big problem that even Google couldn’t solve it when it was their time. They just bought their biggest competitor when their own platform didn’t get traction. And then operated at a loss for years and years.
  
  I’d love to see descentralized video platforms as the next guy but there are serious barriers that come with the medium
  
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- SamXavia@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  And the only other way that a bigger platform would grow is by ads being displayed on the Instance that brings you back to square one.
  
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anon_8675309@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
What about bandwidth? Video is huge. Not everyone can handle P2P video.

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- nicetriangle@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Yeah that’s the big thing that I think is gonna hold this back for the time being.
  
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  - gedaliyah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I’m not sure the fediverse is really developed to the point of hosting a large scale video platform
    
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- commie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I think the torrents will be fine
  
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noodlejetski@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
the issue is the cost of storage. I hope Google and their services burn to the ground already, but I just don’t see Peertube instances being able to handle the amount of videos that gets constantly uploaded on Youtube. hell, Mastodon instances were having issue with the first big waves, and that’s mostly a text-based platform.

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- sexy_peach@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I don’t think that peertube can offer the same amount of video storage to newcomers, that yt does. But it should be easy to host peertube with a fraction of the income (from patreon, in video adverts) that big creators have.
  
  But maybe we’re wrong and it will work, there’s plenty of servers out there that anyone can upload to.
  
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  - SamXavia@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    It just puts smaller creators into a part that they won't be able to upload and that's the great thing about YouTube or most other Video Platforms is anyone can create. If the only people that can release content are the Elites then how will they be replaced in the future when they get burnt out, die or just want to move on?
    
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Zarxrax@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
YouTube ads might frustrate some viewers, but have you ever tried using peertube? I think videos just not working at all would frustrate viewers more than some ads.

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- registrert@lemmy.sambands.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  Sure, I use PT “a lot” (compared to the average lemming it seems). Sometimes there’s a small wait. I think it’s worth it. I’ve never experienced it not working at all, though I can understand if people think something isn’t working if it’s not as fast as the #1 video content platform in the world - YouTube.
  
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onlinepersona@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Two tings it needs:

Support for third party peering clients: if somebody wants to help out a server with bandwidth, currently the only option is to install peertube

Monetisation: content creators need to get paid somehow. The only instance (I know of) that does so uses crypto and it’s beetoons.tv

Maybe if content creators themselves decide to invest in peertube and/or its plugins to implement the parts that they need, then they’ll switch and peertube will suddenly become popular, but at the moment I just don’t see it.
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- BearOfaTime@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  How much do you tube contributors actually make though?
  
  Whats the average payout to the top 10%,20%,30%,40%,50%,70%?
  
  My guess is 80%+ of contributors make a pittance, perhaps a few dollars a month if Pareto is consistent across most subjects, which it seems to be.
  
  But youtube still makes a lot from them because it makes it seem like there’s gobs of content. I really don’t use YouTube, because most of the videos that show up as “you may like this” that are 30 minutes to explain 2 sentences worth of info. There are specific video producers who I go to watch, and pretty much nothing else.
  
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SamXavia@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Even know I wish to see PeerTube grow especially with people at minimum cross-posting, without a way for instances to find content easily without having to know about the creator before hand discoverability will be shockingly bad. Along with this decentralised platforms need to get easier for people to create themselves, as most people who know a bit about computers still don't know the first step of creating a PeerTube or other Fediverse Instance (I'd love to run my own Instances in the future).

PeerTube is a really great idea but without some way of people finding the content and or having more space to upload that content (As most PeerTube Instances have like a 5GB limit) then it sadly won't get there.

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- sexy_peach@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  
  without a way for instances to find content easily without having to know about the creator before hand discoverability will be shockingly bad.
  
  Instances index videos from all instances that they follow. So if a big creator uploads to a server that’s already “friends” with yours, it will show up!
  
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  - SamXavia@kbin.run ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    That's what I'm saying, someone already has to follow, you are then relying on the other people on your instance. It's one of the downsides of the Fediverse in general but it's made even worse with Video as video takes up a lot of space making each instance has limitations on the users stopping them from releasing so many videos.
    
    Like Imagine if someone like Casey Neistat was still releasing daily videos but they where limited due to the possible instance they where using it would suck as it would stop them from uploading there latest video. Hopefully this gets solved in the future with better storage solutions but still it costs a lot to host Video files and that's why most people go to YouTube over anywhere else ATM.
    
    I would love to see PeerTube as well as other Fediverse Video platforms to grow, it's just quite hard for it to grow unless each instance has easily over 100GB per user that uploads.
    
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macattack@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
The lack of ads is beneficial to viewers, but I also think it’s worth noting that a disproportionate amount of people creating videos are doing so to hopefully monetize it.

With the fediverse, that seems much more abstract and so I think there might also be a disconnect for some content to make its way over.

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small44@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Some alternative youtube frontend are pretty good like freetube

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