Submitted 1 year ago by redhorsejacket@lemmy.world to games@lemmy.world
https://www.pcgamesn.com/total-war-warhammer-3/steam-boycott-ban
I haven’t checked in on this game since around launch. Anyone want to bring me up to speed on what’s happening? I gather the latest expansion pack is priced differently than prior DLC?
Also, that line about discussion being a privilege seems icky.
Its crazy to me that a ban from the community page removes your contributed mods too.
Guess it must be pretty bad if your mod creators, the ones making you free content to keep your players around, are getting banned for being pro boycott.
If they ban the right creator, I wonder if a bunch of mods will start breaking similar to that guy who removed his npm packages breaking everything for everyone
Ah, yes. The leftpad incident.
“The right to discuss is a privilege” - someone is very confused about the difference between rights and privileges and also wrong.
I had to check. They actually said this. I’ve never played Warhammer (I have been interested, just haven’t gotten around to it) and I don’t know these devs at all, but contradicting themselves with just seven words in the same sentence is actually kind of impressive.
Games Workshop is renowned for shitty treatment of their customers. Looks like whichever studio develops their IP for games will do the same.
That’s pretty terrible and should put people off buying anything from them. They increased pricing, and when community backlash happens they just ban everyone who dares express an opinion that isn’t positive.
This is why all games should use independent forums moderated by passionate community members. If only there was some federated, open source platform they could move to in order to discuss the game anonymously and without repercussions from the devs…
I just upvoted every Steam review highlighting the company’s shitty practices. Thanks for the heads up!
Each time I check the r/totalwar subreddit, there seem to be another PR fuckup from CA. It’s really sad considering they were peaking just a few years ago with TWW2. Stopped maintaining my mods due to it.
Tone deaf company. My friend wants me to get into this series so badly, but this article details what a disgusting relationship CA has with its customers.
The series is still great, but decisions by the company recently have really been bad.
They even closed the Steam discussion thread and didn't have the decency to properly link to the "New Discussion" wherever the fuck that is taking place. CA have their heads so far up their ass that every bit of shit smells wonderful to them at this point.
Valve should remove Total War Warhammer 3 from sale. Been a Dick to your customers is not something that Valve should tolerate.
Valve do it too. It’s what they are known for.
Another reason not to give a shit about ultra-fashy WH40k
40k is, in part, parody to make fun of fascists. That’s why it’s so absurdly over the top. The fact that fascists like it says more about them than the setting.
Yeah, Sure. Way to much hero worship and storylines where the genetically pure supersoldiers of the empire are the good guys to be a parody of fascism.
1.) : a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect or in ridicule.
2.) a feeble or ridiculous imitation.
I don't think GW knows what parody is.
I think you’re thinking of Games Workshop, the IP holder for WH and WH40K. This is about Creative Assembly, the developer of the Total War RTS games, mostly historical, but also 3 set in the WH universe. They basically developed a very adversarial relationship with their core audience and failed to innovate in decades. Oh wait it is kinda similar to the Games Workshop situation…
But...this has absolutely nothing to do with WH40k? The fuck are you talking about?
They are either a troll or an idiot, in either case best to just mute and move on instead of giving them attention.
isnt total war warhammer about w40k?
Dumb take. That's not what's at issue here and making it an excuse to red herring a series you dislike is really dumb.
But violent video games and rap music is still a problem though right?
Wait what? The “everyones evil” franchise has evil people in it? Gasp
all-knight-party@kbin.run 1 year ago
For OP or others wondering about context:
It requires a surprising amount of digging to really try and figure out what started all this, but from my rudimentary research, it seems to me that this is a problem that's existed for a few games now and has steadily gotten worse, stemming from high DLC prices and an equally high number of, potentially game breaking, bugs, across multiple games that don't get fixed as it's very quickly on to the next one for CA.
There's rumination that it's because the studio is constantly working on multiple games at the same time and just shoves everything out without having the proper time to go back and make sure everything works like it should.
This seems like it came to a head with a recent DLC pack's price increase while containing equal or lesser content than Warhammer 2 DLC, which was cheaper on release. This prompted review bombing from the community, which prompted a response from one of the lead devs, Rob, who basically said (paraphrasing here) "Costs are up, there's no good time to do this, but we have to raise the DLC prices and challenge ourselves to make the content better to match".
Turns out the community doesn't think the content is better to match. CA doubled down on that position, and here we are.
wildginger@lemmy.myserv.one 1 year ago
And doubled down hard, since the boycott bans are killing off their more popular mod creators.
DarkenLM@kbin.social 1 year ago
A surprisingly increasing number of companies seem to be making suicide sprints lately.
all-knight-party@kbin.run 1 year ago
Right, I can't remember the Creator's name, but apparently they supported a boycott and got banned for it, removing access to their workshop account as well, and they created one of, if not the most subscribed mod for the game. Maybe you know that, I haven't played Total War since Rome 1, so I'm way out of touch
nonailsleft@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think customers forget about the, like what, 20-25% inflation in the last few years. Either they f+ck over their employees or they have to charge more
BandoCalrissian@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That inflation is a large part of why consumers are sensitive to this price increase. This is fundamentally a purchase with disposable income. Inflation reduces the disposable Income of the population until (if ever) wages catch up with inflation.
all-knight-party@kbin.run 1 year ago
Everytime there's a change in pricing that was already a set precedent there's a hurdle to overcome like this, and it becomes extremely important to handle the situation delicately since 95% of possible ways to handle it could go very wrong.
I feel like the only way to really deal with it correctly if it truly must happen because of rising costs is to just admit that, like they did, but then stick to that and only that message, and just wait for the community to come around. If it's possible to provide any sorts of even vague math around sales and cost to produce this content then that context would help people understand, but there's almost no way to change a precedent for the worse on the consumer end without some amount of backlash.
GreenMario@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Inflation is fake. Money isn’t backed by anything so we can demand it’s worth anything we want.
The richies are mad some of us made too much money and are overcorrecting to punish us.
ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social 1 year ago
Except they have been increasing the prices this whole time... Most of the prior race packs which focused on 2 factions from Total Warhammer 2 were 10 dollars per pop. Hell the last 2 dlcs were so much bang for the buck since they basically made a pair of 19$ dlc obsolete (yes, with the new pack you only get 1 lord each but having 1 lord but a whole new faction for 10 bucks is good value and that doesn't even count that you also get a number of units from a different faction as well). So Total Warhammer 3 comes out and to say it was a fucking mess at launch is an understatement. Their first new dlc is a race pack at the price of 16 USD. So we see an increase of about 60% right there for many units that simply should have been in the game at launch since the chaos roster was very light compared to the other 2/3 factions in the game as well. So come around to when we get a new faction, prior to this factions cost around 19$ and the price increases to 25$ and personally the community was angry but I was 100% fine with this since yeah prices increase and factions have been this price since 2016. So its fucking insulting they do a new race pack and give us a bullshit letter saying I quote
When this is a blatant lie, this new race pack that gives us less content than prior is now an increase of 150% from 10$ it used to be in total warhammer 2 but a ~60% increase from the last fucking price they had from a year prior. It also doesn't help when they haven't packed the fucking game when there is obviously broken shit. For instance they dropped a patch for the honorable frenchmen (Bretonnia) but some faction features were broken for nearly half a fucking year until after this whole. Hell Nakai the kroxigor (A big fuck off giant lizard alligator man who can do a death roll) lord for again half a year couldn't recruit his special units and kroxigors. This anger is coming from a place where obviously the money they earn is being misused on other projects that end up crashing and burning. Like a fucking new extraction shooter that was a money pit gets canned that was DOA (technically never got released but I know they were running beta test and I imagine it getting canned was based on how much engagement was around it, I remember seeing so many fucking ads that beta test). A reskin of Total war Troy (A newly released AAA priced game that had a peak of 5,424 user), which has failed by basically most margins. So its god damn insulting to hear a lead say basically if you don't buy this dlc expect this game won't be supported anymore even though it is literally CAs only cash cow right now. People want better support for this game, it is under horrid management. A ton of anger is strictly coming from how poor a game WH3 released as and the continued support it has seen. We need a proper custodian team who can actually patch this game more than once or twice in a span of half a fucking year.
the_of_and_a_to@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Customers don’t get higher salaries from inflation
Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Or they could lower their corporate profit margin so neither is necessary. Don’t make excuses for them and act like there’s not a huge amount of money being hoovered up by profit.
ICastFist@programming.dev 1 year ago
Considering how consistent the complaint of how much SEGA is forcing CA to act like a shittier version of Paradox, that’s not surprising.
Since the niche of players that buys Total War games will hardly budge upwards, the only way to maximize profits is to squeeze those suckers with endless DLC. No wonder every game since Shogun 2 has had blood as a separate DLC.