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Millions of smart meters will fail when 2G and 3G turns off
Submitted 1 year ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.theregister.com/2023/10/23/millions_of_smart_meters_will/
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febra@lemmy.world 1 year ago
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 year ago
I thought they weren’t turning off 2G. What’s the benefit? Other than forcing it sooner? Most places that used 2G still get exceptional coverage from it.
ASeriesOfPoorChoices@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Coverage is from frequency, not generation of signal encoding.
The benefit is you can reuse the frequency bands for something better, like 5G. That’s what they did in my country, among others. So, now we get 5G on 3 different frequency ranges. High speed and long range.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve done this as a project to go from 3G to LTE for a network of a few hundred devices.
3G and LTE (4G) used almost identical AT commands. The motherboards were build so the modems were swappable. It wasn’t too bad. I’m told the field techs had to drive 5 hours across the Australian outback to access some of them.
Vqhm@lemmy.world 1 year ago
After rolling out 3g router fail over for pokies, lotto, wagering in Oz I’m sure the money they saved from no longer having any downtime can pay for 4G, 5g, and starlink redundancy.
5 hours of driving across Oz? Wouldn’t even make Carnarvon Gorge much less Mount Isa.
Beautiful country to drive across tho.
echodot@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I work on the national electrical grid and there are a bunch of remote sensors in all of the substations. Some of them are what essentially amount to remotely controlled circuit breakers. I think they trip automatically if they lose connection because they assume something bad has happened. So that’ll be fun.
I work on the software side of things I’m not an electrical engineer so I have no idea if they’re actually changing them over yet but they’re still thousands of them on the network at the moment.
Jako301@feddit.de 1 year ago
I work for the grid too and we also have these. Usually only for bigger substations to Transmitter measurements and switching states, maybe a bit of telemetry like a tripped fuse.
I hope for dear god that you are remembering wrong and none of them trigger when loosing connection. Whoever thought of that should be immediately fired.
A loss of connection from a single device should never trip a circuit breaker (no idea how the bigger equivalent is called in english), especially if its connected wireless.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I was wondering how this would affect car manufacturers and their TCU’s or what have you. Curious to know if cars will be bricked when this is obsolete and they turn off 2G and 3G.
June@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My 2013 Focus Sync 2 software that does system checks shit down like 6 years ago and I periodically get a message that I need to do a diagnostic check and send it in to Ford, but then it errors out.
It’s annoying as fuck.
rem26_art@kbin.social 1 year ago
oh our water company mentioned they were gonna come this week and replace the meter. I guess this is what thats about lol
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This article is about UK energy meters.
FiskFisk33@startrek.website 1 year ago
that doesn’t mean the problem is exclusive to them
cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
They should have stuck with the mechanical meters. They are reliable and last nearly forever.
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Mechanical meters are terrible for tracking real time consumption and managing the grid efficiently. They also pay for themselves because they can catch tampering and don’t require utilities to pay people to bumble around homes to read stupid meters.
Mechanical meters make no sense. They’re a waste of money and not great for a grid that requires intelligence to help get off fossil fuels.
TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Also, I’m very happy with our smart meter because I haven’t gotten a single wildly-inaccurate “estimated bill” since it was installed.
db2@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
But those don’t come with kickbacks!
prole@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Lol no
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That is the problem. Also there is no MRR with those.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
That’s why they should never switch off 2G.
All the other G’s are unimportant.
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 year ago
1G is important. Most emergency services are based on it.
scorpionix@feddit.de 1 year ago
How so?
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
2G defines basic mobile services, for example telephone or SMS.
3G, 4G etc. added internet to it, but there they are interchangeable. Each new one replaces the former if you use only the internet service. But none of them replaces 2G.
TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 1 year ago
Yep. I've been going around upgrading burglar and fire alarms to 4/5G and trashing the 3G radios. If you haven't switched, your alarm won't alert your monitoring company if that's the sole path.
obinice@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ll be fucked if I’m getting a smart meter anyway, I’ll stick with nice normal top-up prepay meters thank you kindly.
I don’t trust British Gas as far as I can throw em.
ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Pre… pay? At your own house?
Squizzy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s relatively new and is a lovely way for utilities companies to side step the rules on cutting people off. They advertise it as an option for people so they have more control over their spending when in reality it has a higher unit charge and is targeted at people who are likely to be financially struggling or close to it.
So what happens is it can just shut off when you haven’t paid yet. I work in utilities and I have dealt with literally thousands of homes and these are always in impoverished and working class areas where if the people were to be on a standard policy they would have protections against cut off due to non payment.
This isn’t meant as any disrespect to the guy above, I know two sentences about him and that all, just my view of this bullshit.
DharmaCurious@startrek.website 1 year ago
In some places, you pay for utilities before using them, and they shut you fuck off right in the middle of the month if you’ve used it up. :/
Daqu@feddit.de 1 year ago
I would not want to miss the feeling of getting up at 3 am to put a farthing in the meter to keep the room above freezing.
_sideffect@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Woot, free parking
malloc@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is it a swap of the 2G/3G module? Or is it a full replacement of the meter?
SomeoneSomewhere@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Probably depends on the meter model. Ours was just a modem swap in NZ.
soulfirethewolf@lemdro.id 1 year ago
I just wish our meter had a P1 port like they did in some countries
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Probably worth noting, this article is about UK energy meters. Also, smart meters are wildly different all over the world.
Where I live, the meters have a proprietary wireless receiver, with its own frequency, that is owned and operated by the power company.
circuscritic@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s going to vary, even within counties. A lot of US utility companies are having the same issue, and there are companies that make and sell 3G to 4G adapters for larger coverage areas. For example, microcell that rebroadcasts/converts the 3G signals in 4G. Other areas are swapping out 3G for 4G or Lorawan style meters.
And I’m sure even more are just going to arbitrarily create billable usage figures because they outsourcee their IT to India, and then outsourced the India team to Pakistan or the Philippines, and then fired them because the CEO’s son is really good with computers.
zaphod@feddit.de 1 year ago
How would those microcells be legal? It’s not just that 3G or whatever gets shut down, the frequencies are usually reallocated to something else so you can’t legally operate a 3G network on those frequencies anymore.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Around here (Portugal) I believe that smart meters send their info over the electrical wire itself (as they had to install repeater/transponder stations at the network transformers and the bandwidth needed for something like this is ridiculously small).
Certainly it would be an upside of being behind most of the rest of Europe in most things - when finally something gets installed in the infrastructure of one of the local politically connected (read: not really competing on superior quality or efficiency) utilities, the technology is already more mature.
9715698@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are you from Germany?
lemmyvore@feddit.nl 1 year ago
It’s common all over Europe. It’s short range wireless btw, a person from the company has to walk the building halls to collect the data from the meters for example, or come near the house. They use this on all types of meters — power, gas, water.
They still have to do a visual check once in a while because some people are shifty fuckers and can’t be trusted. 😄
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
US