Toyota to adopt Tesla charger for North American EV models

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• vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  That’s disappointing. I can’t wait to see how Musk attempts to screw with everyone once all major companies are using his “open” standard.

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  • IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    SAE is ratifying NACS as an automotive standard. Once that process is complete Musk won’t have control over it.

    sae.org/…/sae-international-announces-standard-fo…

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    • Pasketti@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I believe Tesla has already released ownership of the NACS patent as well.

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    • vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I’d bet anything he still tries something. Don’t forget what an enormous moron he is.

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  • Grant_M@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Exactly.

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• TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Technology Connections has a great video on this subject.

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• robocall@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Makes sense. Why not use infrastructure that’s already available?

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  • thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Because using proprietary standards puts you at the mercy of the technology owner

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    • Actaeon@artemis.camp ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It was made an open standard about a year ago

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  • SSUPII@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex…

    There is a placed by law standard in the European Union at least. Image

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    • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Nah can’t have standards in the USA, let the market solve that and Canada just follows whatever the USA does for these things.

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  • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    because, from what I understnad, only the newest tesla chargers will support non-teslas charging, which is gonna leave a shitton of older chargers as tesla exclusive.

    and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.

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    • TheRealKuni@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.

      I could be mistaken, but I don’t think it’s that grim. J1772 will still be good for supporting vehicles and locations that don’t support DC charging. Level 2 will continue to be useful for years since the grid doesn’t support Level 3 charging just anywhere.

      And CCS 1/2 will support NACS with relatively simple adapters as I understand it. Existing DC charging stations can simply replace their CCS 1/2 ends with NACS over time when they would be replaced for maintenance anyway, and perhaps provide adapters in the meantime.

      I highly recommend this video from Technology Connections which changed my mind about this.

      (To be fair, as an owner of a PHEV that can’t use DC charging anyway it doesn’t make much difference to me though.)

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• akilou@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Does Toyota have any electic models? I thought they were still stuck between hybrids and hydrogen.

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  • Hildegarde@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They made one, and they called it the BZ4X. That’s the sort of name that you give a car you don’t want people to buy. And in the event anyone did buy buy it, they made sure the wheels fell off.

    By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.

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    • CmdrShepard@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.

      I’m sure they’re working on EVs behind the scenes for mainstream release once other companies iron out the quirks, while the Murai is a long-term development platform. Let’s not forget Toyota dove headfirst into hybrids 23 years ago while other companies were developing shit like the Hummer H2 and the Excursion. People act like Toyota hates EVs but they’re just very conservative in their designs because their brand has a reputation for being reliable and economical contrast that with early Teslas costing $100k and having terrible QC issues. Nobody wants that from a Toyota.

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    • mayonaise_met@feddit.nl ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They’ve announced a lot of EVs are in the works but they’ll also keep offering hybrids and FCEVs. They kind of have to our they’ll lose the European market.

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  • CmdrShepard@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They released a compliance car (BZ4x) built with Subaru. From what I’ve read it sucks and essentially just performs the same function as the PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR did back in the day. I’m sure this’ll be retained for the future when they have a proper lineup of EVs though.

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  • XGM@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They also have the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime models which have larger battery packs and charge ports compared to their standard hybrid variants. These models don’t support DC fast charging and still operate like standard hybrids so having the larger charge network isn’t as important.

    I’m not sure if the existing Tesla level 2 “chargers” would work in this case but assuming they do it would offer more options.

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    • lostferret@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I have a prius prime! Works perfect for my use case. Everyday driving is full battery with maybe a bit of gas. Big long trips require no extra planning or stops.

      Not for everyone, and i figure will last until EVs are nice and developed with better infrastructure up where i live.

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  • dublet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Yes, they’ve created an BEV specific platform, which currently is used by the Toyota bZ3, Toyota bZ4X/Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ.

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  • altima_neo@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They have some plug in hybrids, too

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  • nbafantest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They have plug in hybrids.

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• Grant_M@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’d be careful with making vehicles reliant on a fascist owned charging infrastructure.

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  • nbafantest@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The plug spec has been opened up, so we should see all infrastructure switch to this. Not just Tesla’s superchargers. This is a good thing.

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    • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Wasn’t that an early Tesla thing too, opening up tech so others could use it? I remember being like this is how the future will be.

      They got me good.

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    • Grant_M@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      My default is zero trust in muskovite. Hopefully all potential loopholes are closed!

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• Wahots@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Fuuuck, please keep everything on one standard. It’s going to suck to have multiple plugs at every station, particularly since the official standard can scale like crazy :/

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