NEW YORK (Kyodo) -- Toyota Motor Corp. said Thursday it will adopt Tesla Inc.'s charging standards for its electric vehicles to be sold in North Ameri
Toyota to adopt Tesla charger for North American EV models
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https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20231020/p2g/00m/0bu/036000c
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TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 months ago
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robocall@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Makes sense. Why not use infrastructure that’s already available?
thisisbutaname@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
Because using proprietary standards puts you at the mercy of the technology owner
Actaeon@artemis.camp 6 months ago
It was made an open standard about a year ago
SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex…
There is a placed by law standard in the European Union at least. Image
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Nah can’t have standards in the USA, let the market solve that and Canada just follows whatever the USA does for these things.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
because, from what I understnad, only the newest tesla chargers will support non-teslas charging, which is gonna leave a shitton of older chargers as tesla exclusive.
and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
TheRealKuni@lemmy.world 6 months ago
and overnight renders all the investment and infrastructure thats been built for J1772/CCS Type1/2 completely pointless and wasted effort almost overnight.
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think it’s that grim. J1772 will still be good for supporting vehicles and locations that don’t support DC charging. Level 2 will continue to be useful for years since the grid doesn’t support Level 3 charging just anywhere.
And CCS 1/2 will support NACS with relatively simple adapters as I understand it. Existing DC charging stations can simply replace their CCS 1/2 ends with NACS over time when they would be replaced for maintenance anyway, and perhaps provide adapters in the meantime.
I highly recommend this video from Technology Connections which changed my mind about this.
(To be fair, as an owner of a PHEV that can’t use DC charging anyway it doesn’t make much difference to me though.)
akilou@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Does Toyota have any electic models? I thought they were still stuck between hybrids and hydrogen.
Hildegarde@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They made one, and they called it the BZ4X. That’s the sort of name that you give a car you don’t want people to buy. And in the event anyone did buy buy it, they made sure the wheels fell off.
By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 months ago
By contrast they literally call their hydrogen car the future, so it’s clear where their priorities lie.
I’m sure they’re working on EVs behind the scenes for mainstream release once other companies iron out the quirks, while the Murai is a long-term development platform. Let’s not forget Toyota dove headfirst into hybrids 23 years ago while other companies were developing shit like the Hummer H2 and the Excursion. People act like Toyota hates EVs but they’re just very conservative in their designs because their brand has a reputation for being reliable and economical contrast that with early Teslas costing $100k and having terrible QC issues. Nobody wants that from a Toyota.
mayonaise_met@feddit.nl 6 months ago
They’ve announced a lot of EVs are in the works but they’ll also keep offering hybrids and FCEVs. They kind of have to our they’ll lose the European market.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 6 months ago
They released a compliance car (BZ4x) built with Subaru. From what I’ve read it sucks and essentially just performs the same function as the PT Cruiser and Chevy HHR did back in the day. I’m sure this’ll be retained for the future when they have a proper lineup of EVs though.
XGM@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They also have the Prius Prime and Rav4 Prime models which have larger battery packs and charge ports compared to their standard hybrid variants. These models don’t support DC fast charging and still operate like standard hybrids so having the larger charge network isn’t as important.
I’m not sure if the existing Tesla level 2 “chargers” would work in this case but assuming they do it would offer more options.
lostferret@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I have a prius prime! Works perfect for my use case. Everyday driving is full battery with maybe a bit of gas. Big long trips require no extra planning or stops.
Not for everyone, and i figure will last until EVs are nice and developed with better infrastructure up where i live.
dublet@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Yes, they’ve created an BEV specific platform, which currently is used by the Toyota bZ3, Toyota bZ4X/Subaru Solterra and Lexus RZ.
altima_neo@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
They have some plug in hybrids, too
nbafantest@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They have plug in hybrids.
Grant_M@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
I’d be careful with making vehicles reliant on a fascist owned charging infrastructure.
nbafantest@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The plug spec has been opened up, so we should see all infrastructure switch to this. Not just Tesla’s superchargers. This is a good thing.
Dozzi92@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Wasn’t that an early Tesla thing too, opening up tech so others could use it? I remember being like this is how the future will be.
They got me good.
Grant_M@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
My default is zero trust in muskovite. Hopefully all potential loopholes are closed!
Wahots@pawb.social 6 months ago
Fuuuck, please keep everything on one standard. It’s going to suck to have multiple plugs at every station, particularly since the official standard can scale like crazy :/
vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 6 months ago
That’s disappointing. I can’t wait to see how Musk attempts to screw with everyone once all major companies are using his “open” standard.
IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 6 months ago
SAE is ratifying NACS as an automotive standard. Once that process is complete Musk won’t have control over it.
sae.org/…/sae-international-announces-standard-fo…
Pasketti@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
I believe Tesla has already released ownership of the NACS patent as well.
vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 6 months ago
I’d bet anything he still tries something. Don’t forget what an enormous moron he is.
Grant_M@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Exactly.