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Scientists are hoping to redefine the second – here's why

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨small44@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://theconversation.com/scientists-are-hoping-to-redefine-the-second-heres-why-157645

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  • Kissaki@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The most relevant paragraph:

    Now, using a new way of linking the clocks with ultra-fast lasers, researchers have shown that different kinds of optical atomic clocks can be placed a few kilometres apart and still agree within 1 part in 10¹⁸. This is just as good as previous measurements with pairs of identical clocks a few hundred metres apart, but about a hundred times more precise than achieved before with different clocks or large distances.

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  • Fafner@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Tl;Dr They are trying to make a better atomic clock that could provide a more precise definition of a second then we currently have.

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    • MonkderZweite@feddit.ch ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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      • Fafner@yiffit.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The more precisely you can count time, the more precisely and finely you can measure other things. This not only applies to fast phenomenon. It can also be used for syncing up multiple measurements made in different places; like that image of a black hole we got a couple of years ago.

        It’s another step in getting a finer resolution on the universe.

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      • prole@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Precision? The answer was literally in the comment you replied to.

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      • Stoneykins@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Detect smaller gravity waves, possibly, hopefully.

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      • Sylvartas@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        To… get a more precise measurement of a second ? It’s already pretty precise but not 100% accurate so why not ?

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  • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Can’t wait for decimal time with 100,000 seconds/day /s

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    • EnglishMobster@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Decimal time exists, thanks to the French Revolution.

      There are 100 decimal seconds in a decimal minute, 100 minutes in a decimal hour, and 10 hours in a decimal day. Each second is slightly shorter than a SI second.

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      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I know and nobody uses it.

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    • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Unfortunately, there is no easy way to decimalise time for human use. If you make it useful for humans, it doesn’t sync well to a day. If you make it sync to a day, the resulting units are awkward for the human mind.

      Amusingly, for computers, time is decimalised! UTC is a fully metric time. It’s just simpler to constantly remap to and from UTC to a user’s time, than to train the user to use UTC.

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      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        For computers, Unix time is in binary. But yes.

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    • TheUnicornOfPerfidy@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I actually quite like this idea. Or we could start using number base 12 instead of 10 everywhere else.

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      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This would outdate centuries of equipment and scientific publications in the metric system.

        A better idea is the International Fixed Calendar:

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      • pastermil@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Fuck this…

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    • Omniraptor@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      It’ll likely happen once we move to living mostly in space (if we survive that long ofc)

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      • ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        With a full switch to metric, hopefully. We’ve lost a Mars probe to unit confusion already.

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  • FatTony@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    At first I was like: The second what?

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    • doctorn@r.nf ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This. Same… 😅

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    • MaggiWuerze@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      That’s the problem when your language doesn’t have capitalization for nouns

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    • teft@startrek.website ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The second division of the hour.

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  • BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Hey! Wait a sec

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    • waz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Could you be more specific?

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  • Andreas@feddit.dk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Is this like when they made the kilogram some function of the speed of light instead of the weight of a metal ball in a French museum?

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    • aubertlone@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They linked the kilogram to the gravitational force.

      It’s part of an effort to clarify how we define things. We’re now trying to link our recorded units to the basic forces they are related to. So now, the kilogram is defined by the gravitational force, the meter by how fast light travels, etc etc

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      • PflaumeKordel@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The kilogram is defined as the mass equivalent of a photon of a specific energy via the Planck constant h thus linking the speed of light and the frequency of the hyperfine level of caesium-133. The relative uncertainty of the measured value of the gravitational constant G is 10^-5 which would lead to a definition of the kilogram that has a worse relative uncertainty than using the former definition defined via an international prototype. The Wikipedka article is more detailed than this short summary.

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      • RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        So yes?

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    • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I misread that as “meat ball”, and now I’m kind of disappointed that we don’t use meatballs as a standard unit. “I’m 6 meatball subs and 3 balls high”, “The yacht is about 18 giant party subs long”, etc.

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      • bionicjoey@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Unfortunately this is a bit like the imperial system where you get multiple units of measurement. There is the standard foot-long, which is twelve inches, and there is the $5 foot-long™, which is only 11 inches

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    • Kethal@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Not exactly. The kilogram was redefined in a fundamentally different way, moving from an artifact, which will change with time, to a fundamental property of nature, that as far as anyone knows, will be the same at all times. The second was already defined in such a way. Any such definition still requires some sort of measurement though to get something usable. Different ways of measuring the same type of definition can be more precise, and in this redefinition they think they’ve found a more precise method that works in the same fundamental manner. Both measure the oscillation rate of atoms, but the proposed element is thought tomgove better precision.

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  • radix@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Would this affect our lives on Earth?

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    • snooggums@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Most likely indirectly, like how GPS has to account for satellites not matching the passage of time on earth due to relatively.

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    • kogs@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      You can now be more accurately late for work. Or your coffee is more accurately taking a long time to come out.

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    • scratchee@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      If they can predict earthquakes and eruptions more accurately. As suggested in the article, then yes for all the people who don’t die.

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    • postmateDumbass@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Relativistically.

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    • lightnsfw@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I better not have to buy a new watch because of this.

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  • Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Wont that fuck up the other measures that use the second as a basis?

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