Submitted 1 year ago by glowie@infosec.pub to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.thedefensepost.com/2021/07/01/israel-machine-gun-robot-gaza-border/
The tank-like robot has the ability to transport itself to a preset destination. It can also spot and avoid obstacles by utilizing dozens of sensors and an advanced driving system. Moreover, the platform can self-destruct if it falls into enemy hands.
It is not an autonomous weapons system. It is a platform that can maneuver autonomously.
Targeting for the weapon itself is done by a human remotely at least right?
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…right?
How long until there is a version that would let the operator upload a photo of the target and the gun bot would seek and shoot that target automatically, with 99.9% face detection accuracy?
One more step towards the inevitable weapons-free platform that will eventually come.
Braindead militarists never cease to believe that “only we have it, and therefore…”
The truth is that there will be a life after the war, and the war makes it miserable.
Yes, for both sides.
Semi-autonomous doesnt really mean anything and is a deliberately sensationalist headline.
The key technological discussion is when it’s not a human pulling the trigger.
Even guns are semi autonomous by this definition
The tank-like robot has the ability to transport itself to a preset destination. It can also spot and avoid obstacles by utilizing dozens of sensors and an advanced driving system. Moreover, the platform can self-destruct if it falls into enemy hands.
I’d have to assume it has some sort of finding/tracking tech as well to stay on target. Trying to compare this to a handgun is just silly.
The thing is, will it select a target and fire without manual intervention? I’m less worried about it moving autonomously than killing. Not that in this case I think it will make any difference if a civilian enters l encounters it.
The CIWS Phalanx has been doing this since the 70s. The main point is that it’s implying something new about it’s semi-autonomous nature that hasnt previously been used and is thus noteworthy. A handgun automates much of labour involved with applying kinetic force to another human being, reducing it down to a button press that anyone can do.
Trying to suggest this is somehow newsworthy and that they arent just fishing for clickbait headlines is silly.
Australia already has area-denial sentries that autonomously shoot at any motion (with some parameters regarding size and speed).
These, or a similar techology was used for a while along the Korean DMZ until we started talking about building autonomous drones.
One of the shot-down airliner incidents (Flight 007, maybe?) involved a misdesignation of a sensor contact by a US Aegis missileboat system. The plane was pinging with F4 Phantom Radar (which ruled out an ordinary airliner). The Aegis required a human to authorize an attack, but it reported the contact as a bogey (unknown, peresumed to be hostile.
Almost 20 years ago (because bad ties) I was presented with a military video for the development of this horror.
Israelis where very proud in the video to show this thing driving in front of a poor house and firing from outside through the wall to anything (eventually) living inside. They didn’t give a fuck whether it was (to be) woman children or else. (of course the house was empty for the research phase, well I hope so).
This is the kind of monstrosity Palestinians are facing now.
“and prevents risks to human life”… no implications there, I’m sure.
Scary, but neat.
This story is from 2021.
Yes, but more relevant now than then, no?
wow nice! still waiting on boston dynamics level bots to be armed & pointed at the enemy though.
I wonder which school district will hire the first one!!
somewhere in Baltimore or Chicago would be my guess
Let's hope that the "AI" doing the aiming was programmed by Microsoft. That way, it would at least not hit anybody....
Guess I’m done talking shit about Clippy.
It looks like you are trying to violate the Geneva Convention. Would you like help?
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Looks like your trying to oppress a population, would you like Microsoft Bing AI to draft a press releases to establish a narrative justifying automated anti personal weapons deployed against civilians?
Introducing our new Stormtrooper™ AI!
I hoped more for an immediate gun jam due to an issue where the gun couldn't reach Microsoft's telemetry servers in time followed by a bluescreen because the right headlight (not the left) was initiated at kernel level for some reason and threw a memory access violation.
A few weeks later.
Aw man, someone coded the routine that checks if the person is from Hamas to always return true. Woopsie Doodle.
for hamas in crowd: open_fire()
With proper ammunition and fire control that could actually work. It’s kind of surprising how little development there has been in this space. A civilian smart rifle has been around for almost a decade.
It’s clear that the reason the robot in the article doesn’t shoot autonomously is because developers couldn’t implement directive 4… It’s an alpha verse
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I was hoping to participate in this conversation with some long, interesting back and forths with different people about this inevitable, emerging technology. Then I scrolled the comments section…
What the fuck has happened over there?
The inevitable outcome of a situation wherein a country is allowed to blatantly violate international laws and human rights for decades without consequences and a ridiculously overfed MIC with unwavering support from major powers.
Tell me you can’t conscript or recruit more ground soldiers without saying so. 7.62 rounds are personnel ammunition.
Israel running out of military personnel is hardly the only possible explanation. Furthermore, it’s rather nonsensical to claim that Israel is running out of military personnel simply because of the type of ammunition that this robot’s machine gun is chamebered in – that is affirming the consequent.
What is a drone for 500.
If the operators can select targets and the drone locks on and fires, that crosses into a high-risk moral gray-zone, since UIs are susceptible to misclicks and the drone may not consider collateral consequences (such as overpenetration.
If the drone can autonomously target and attack on its own algorithms, add to that the inevitable miscalculations meaning it will eventually kill a target that a soldier would not.
In the meantime anarchists amd revolutionaries should examine how to convice it it’s been compromised to convince it to self-destruct.
And if it requires a signal from home to auto-destruct, how to block the affirmative signal.
I suspect the GLA is going to develop thick, sticky smoke bombs and signal jammers to make our ground drone blind and isolated. Then it can be neutralized and salvaged for parts.
Here we go. I can’t wait for the Boston Dynamics one to be outfitted with a .50 and drone support.
That’s going to be totally cool and amazing watching it launch its 300 lb body off stuff all Parkour like 360 no scoping dudes while the drone drops grenades.
/s incase you need it. This is totally going to suck.
OK but drones are only allowed to shoot drones. Military companies still win, as this is what’s is all about or?
themurphy@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What the fuck is wrong with you guys. This is absolutely dystopian shit right there.
This is not “nice” or “neat”?!
It’s straight up awful. It’s war.
NuPNuA@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Someones going to get themselves killed when the robots take over with that kind of talk.
I for one welcome our new mechanical overlord’s.
Kalcifer@lemm.ee 1 year ago
One can find interest in an objects technological design while still acknlowledging it’s horror when put to practical use. They aren’t mutually exclusive options.