Submitted â¨â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago⊠by â¨moonpiedumplings@programming.dev⊠to â¨selfhosted@lemmy.worldâŠ
https://github.com/spacebarchat/spacebarchat
Has anyone tried this? Itâs discord reverse engineered.
HHhhmm⌠Do container/docker install option. This is why itâs probably stagnated in adoption from the selfhosted community.
It needs a container based install, no one likes installing dependencies and crud onto their pristine environments any longer.
Itâs just not mentioned prominently github.com/spacebarchat/docker
last commit 3yrs ago⌠seems unmaintained
Itâs weird that the server has a .dockerignore file without a Dockerfile.
Seems like theyâre working on Docker build actions right now according to some other comments
no one likes installing dependencies and crud onto their pristine environments any longer
It just depends, however, containers sure do make things a lot cleaner.
I do. I just completed pulling the core piped components (piped-backend, -frontend and -prox as well as -html-proxy) from Docker to native installs from the AUR, as well as installing searxng without a venv. Spacebar (the server and client) even have AUR pkgs, but theyâre unmaintained⌠Iâm gonna change that.
Why would one use this rather than just using something like Matrix or self-hosted Stoat? Iâm not sure what it being âDiscord compatibleâ really gets this project. Bot compatibility is nice, but arenât most Discord bots closed source anyway?
Because Stoat is also riddled with problems and Matrix is a dysfunctional hot mess.
How is Matrix dysfunctional?
In the proper timeline the superior proprietary platform Axon beat out Discord.
I mean, if you want Matrix AND that it works, you just install ejabberd or prosody and go on with your life. But then thereâs nothing fancy to report or brag about, it just works.
Well, Stoat sucks and has no vision or history of reasonably paced development. So, itâs more of a vaporware wish then actual software.
3 years of abandonment? Absolutely not.
Where are you getting three years of abandonment from? The branding repo OP linked was last updated 10 months ago, while the server repo appears to have had pretty steady development for the last month at least (as far back as I bothered checking on mobile)
Decentralized (no abuse of power and doesnât have a single point of failure)
There is a direct server though, is it federated? The readme doesnât say itâs federated at all
Itâs not federated, just easy to self host and point custom clients at.
Are you sure? Because they also seem to be behind Fermi which sounds federated
Thatâs too bad, thatâs a hard line for me, it has to have the option of federation.
Also, so itâs a direct server, so it is centralized, thereâs nothing decentralized about it
This wont go anywhere until they have an app that is easy to download. And then everyone says Revolt/Stoat but that doesnt even fucking work cause their verification system is ass (probably because they use gen AI to code) and also is difficult to download the mobile app
Their verification system has been my boss fight the last 48 hours. I want to get off of discord. PLEASE LET ME!
Stoat has 3rd party clients that are easy to install, I already got the Clerotri app downloaded directly from Accrescent on GrapheneOS (although I believe they have an F-Droid release).
Still has AI generated code. I tried setting up an account and despite it saying the email to verify your account would take up to 10 minutes, it actually would take hours. And I canât sign up with my proton email (managed to get it to work with my gmail), while my friend cant get it to verify with their gmail.
Interesting, seems like this has been around for a while but I havenât heard of it until now. With how much Discordâs shitting the fan and becoming (well, always has been) a privacy nightmare, this seems worth a try. The alternatives out there either need time to mature (Stoat) or donât really fill the same role (Matrix).
shitting the fan
Huh, like a more disastrous and direct combo-approach. I like it.
You know I didnât even realize I said this and Iâm gonna start using this one LMFAO
Spacebar was called Fosscord before. MAybe you have heard of that.
Never heard of it either. Will check out cuz initially sounded like some vibecode app to quickly replace Discord since the news.
Itâs been around a few years. I investigated it last year. It had a name change some times ago.
I canât vouch for the code quality, but itâs too old to be slop.
So is IRC and Matrix.
Doesnât seem terribly well-maintained.
This is just a link to the branding repo. There isnt much to maintain in there.
I see, thank you. I withdraw my comment since the server repo certainly looks more maintained. The client repo seems stale, but the software does seem to be getting work on it, so thatâs great!
The Spacebar alternative client, Fermi, is more actively maintained from my understanding
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I set this container up yesterday. Technically itâs running. But all the settings are in the fucking sql db, and I know fuck all about sql other than drop tables is funny meme from xkcd. But also, ignoring the settings, I would like to point out that there is effectively no client. I mean, there are two official ones - the depreciated one, and the alpha one, and the alpha one has a total of 4 releases with the newest being two years ago. How do you deprecate a client when the server is still in alpha? What the fuck? And on all pages it screams âthis is alpha testing software, do not use as a dailyâ. Also the docs are, uhh⌠rough. If rough was falling 4 stories inti a bed of poisonous cacti. It took me 3 hours to get the container running properly and finally poking at the db. Itâs as organized as my bedroom (âitâs somewhere in this dresser, I thinkâŚâ).
The idea, the potential is brilliant. Literally everything about getting it working thoughâŚ
paraphrand@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Lots of great software ideas out there. Itâs always the execution, availability of resources, and the reality of capitalism getting in the way.
30p87@feddit.org â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Until I get in the way of capitalism (with a shotgun)
PointyFluff@lemmy.ml â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Containers = Yet Another Attack Surface.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
So youâre offering to manage my ~40 services, and make sure that all the dependencies are met - and none conflictâŚ?
I mean, I enjoy hosting things myself, but Iâm not going to invite issues that have been resolved by simple solutions. Iâve been around the block with dependency hell, fuck all of that. Now if I was getting paid like 6 figures instead of zero, sure boss, whatever the fuck you say boss, job security all day long. But unless youâre offering, Iâm sticking with the easy way.
Mic_Check_One_Two@reddthat.com â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I mean, thatâs true regardless of how it is running. If the service is externally available, it will be probed for vulnerabilities. At least with a container, you can ward off what files it has access to, so an attacker canât just ransomware your entire NAS with a single vulnerable service.
4am@lemmy.zip â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
Eh, containers are fine if you know what youâre doing. Just run them in a VM if you want more isolation.
Definitely not for the average user though.
Neptr@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
You can use WebCord with Spacebar.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world â¨3⊠â¨weeks⊠ago
I donât see any options or mention of changing instances, beyond discord canara and public testingâŚ? I might be blind