Filament quality

Submitted ⁨⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Maerman@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨3dprinting@lemmy.world⁩

Hi, all. So I’m pretty new to this hobby, and this might seem like a short-sighted question. But I was wondering, how important is the brand name when buying filament? I live in South Korea, which means AliExpress orders arrive here pretty quickly and are generally a viable option. The thing is that I see filament on Ali for half the price of the reputable brand name stuff I can get in Korea. Do any of you have any experience with the cheaper, no-name stuff? Is plastic just plastic, and the brand is just jacking up the price because they can? Or is there an important difference between the filament produced by the big brands and filament made in China that I can get for much cheaper? Any and all advice would be much appreciated.

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Bluewing@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Brands mean a lot less than people think. Most brands are just relabeled filaments. A couple phone calls and you to can have your own brand of filament. Nor are there aren’t that many make lines in the world. And the base stock comes from an even smaller handful of manufacturers.

I have yet to meet a filament that I couldn’t get to print decently, and I have a very low taste in filaments. The cheapest of the cheap! Some of them took extra effort, but in the end I got what I wanted from them.

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dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
You can generally trust dodgy rolls of ordinary PLA. For anything with special properties like sparklies, purported fiber fills, a metallic sheen, etc. all bets are off. You are equally likely to just find yourself with a spool chock-a-block full of randomly sized nozzle clogging particles of who knows what, or a roll of what turns out to be perfectly ordinary boring PLA and a set of product photos with a high degree of Photoshop polish.

I likewise don’t trust knockoff spools of engineering materials like Nylon, polycarb, etc. at all. Food for thought: Polycarbonate at PET in their natural states are both startlingly transparent, both are bendy-bendy, both have near identical melting points, and are equally annoying to print. PET is significantly cheaper than polycarbonate, though. So guess how easy it would be to spool up 1 kg of PET, slap a label on it that says “polycarbonate,” and sell it to the unwashed masses who are by majority unlikely to actually whack any test samples of the stuff with a hammer? Et. cetera.

So it is likely to be with purported PLA blends like “tough” PLA or “pro” PLA or “plus” PLA from the no-name brigade. These are often just regular PLA with a 30% markup.

Never forget the time honored Chinese pastime: 能骗就骗.

And this is going to sound stupid, but specifically beware of spools of nameless red filament. I don’t know if it has something to do with the pigment they use or what, but the only spools of any material I have consistently had embrittlement issues with have all been red.

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LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Usually, plastic is plastic, but it really depends on what you’re printing.

If all you are printing is a block with no overhangs, few stop/starts, one color, etc. then it really doesn’t matter much.

Anytime the printer has to retract and start a new spot, that’s where stringing, blobs, and gaps can form.

You can do a test print with the cheaper plastic, like benchy, and then you can adjust your printer’s settings for the roll. There are also some smaller test prints if you want to test specific things, like a temperature tower, overhangs, etc.

Buy one, try it out, and see what happens. But don’t be surprised if you have to fiddle with some settings like speed or temperature to get good results.

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- Maerman@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Okay, thanks. That seems like solid advice. I don’t mind tweaking and fiddling with settings at all, so that’s not an issue. I’ll check some of it out.
  
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ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
IME consistency across batches is almost the most important thing. Some brands print better than others, but none is best across all types. I have 3-4 different brands that I have dialed in and trust to perform the same every time and I stick to those. Buying cheap aliexpress filament is a crapshooter every time, even when sticking to the same brand. Sometimes it works well, sometimes it shortens your life by a decade due to frustration.

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hwang@social.lol ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
@Maerman Typically “brand name” filament is going to be more consistent over time and is more likely to have reasonably good filament profiles in the slicer.
Will the cheap stuff also work with some effort, usually. But you might find that a new batch of filament is a noticeably different color. You might find that it absorbs moisture more quickly or is strangely brittle. Or they somehow got a bunch of cardboard dust onto the spools.
IMO if you’re not truly using a ton of filament or trying to make money from this, it’s worth buying the more expensive stuff.
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- AzuraTheSpellkissed@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Though I can imagine if you’re trying to make money, the consistency might be worth the additional cost, rather team having to put time and material into failed batches.
  
  Personally I buy the cheapest PLA and hate myself everytime I have to disassemble the AMS to get out stuck pieces of broken filament (might not be related to the filament itself, I’m not asking for advise).
  
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datendefekt@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Newer printers have flow rate sensors etc, that makes it much easier to just print what you have without spending much time dialing everything in.

Other than the quality of the plastic itself issues could be filament diameter and pigmentation, and spooling. Cheaper brands tend to have more variation and bad spooling.

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HelloRoot@lemy.lol ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
in my experience brand filament was less hassle to print with.

I bought cheapo noname filament a couple of times from different manufacturers and it was very hit and miss.

Worst case was I fiddled with printer settings for 6hours, drying it multiple times and many failed prints. Then I put in bambu filament and it printed perfectly with default settings.

But best case was just as good as the expensive stuff.

So you have to know yourself how much the gamble is worth it to you, what your frustration tolerance is etc.

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