“64.6% of men are at least slightly toxic. Conclusion: most men are not toxic”
What the heck?
Good News: Study Shows That Most Men Are Not Toxic
Submitted 4 weeks ago by ooli3@sopuli.xyz to appliedpsychology@mander.xyz
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Solumbran@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Only 10.8 percent of men included in the study showed clear signs of toxic masculinity.
89.2 is still larger than 50, right?
Solumbran@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
And it includes people who are slightly to moderately toxic, which is why my sentence said “at least slightly toxic”
That’s my exact point that you somehow missed, the article concludes that most men are not toxic while saying that only ~30% are not toxic.
What they actually concluded is “89.2% of men are not extremely toxic” but that’s not what the article implied
Damage@feddit.it 3 weeks ago
Do you exclusively associate with people of perfect integrity, devoid of flaws?
apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
A thorough enough paper but… An almost wilful misinterpretation of their own data?
There’s the obvious thing, only ~35% of the sample was defined by the researchers as not toxic.
Even if we are benevolent and say that the portion who are lgbt-tolerant and moderately toxic aren’t… Toxic… Then that leaves ~40% of the sample falling under toxic masculinity. Which would agree with their headline but is still like. Staggering? Forty Percent? When we are reasonably generous with the definitions in favour of not classifying as toxic, we still get 40? Thats pretty much every other man you meet!
Even if we do take their findings as they present them, that “only” 11% of men are toxic - that’s 1 in 10? 1 in 10 men being irrefutably “toxic masculinity” examples is a lot still, man! Think about how many men one must interact with to engage in daily life, and 11% of those are irrefutably “toxic men”? And the proposed conclusion is “uh, actually the issue is overblown”
yakko@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
We have only had the concept for, depending on when you start the clock, either the 80s or the 00s. It’d be interesting to have a longitudinal study to track how society is shaping up over time.
Side-eyes at the methodology here though. Some odd choices on display. “Anti-LGBT moderate”? I think you’re spot on about the motivated choices.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 3 weeks ago
Yeah… I was going to write about how weird it was re: LGBTQ+ but I didn’t have the energy
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
The largest group was called “Atoxics” (35.4 percent).
Study Shows That Most Men Are Not Toxic
Two weird sentences to be in the same conclusions.
yeahiknow3@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
It’s hilarious the contortions people are going through to interpret this result in a positive light.
tyler@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
A- prefix means “without”.
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com 4 weeks ago
Correct. 64.6% did not fit into the “Without” toxic group.
acockworkorange@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
I think the issue is the percentage. It’s the biggest group, but most people think that “most” means over 50%.
zout@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
The second and third largest groups (27.2 percent and 26.6 percent of volunteers) both showed low to moderate values across the eight indicators of toxic masculinity
RobotToaster@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
If you wanted to test the toxicity of genders, shouldn’t you have a “control group” of women?
jaselle@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
You do not need a control group to determine what % of a population satisfies a given criterion.
Railcar8095@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
A new study in more than 15,000 mean investigated eight marker
That oof in the second paragraph doesn’t inspire confidence in the article
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world 4 weeks ago
“Most” could mean 50%+1. I’m toxic AF, but only to myself.
Nemo@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
So we can go back to eating them?
gustofwind@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I still wouldn’t eat one even after proper storage and thorough cooking