All smartphones, including iPhones, must have replaceable batteries by 2027 in the EU::undefined
Now upgradable storage and memory on apple computers please
All smartphones, including iPhones, must have replaceable batteries by 2027 in the EU
Submitted 1 year ago by L4s@lemmy.world [bot] to technology@lemmy.world
https://mashable.com/article/replaceable-batteries-smartphones-iphones-2027
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Lemmyatem@lemm.ee 1 year ago
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 1 year ago
God bless the EU. They are just so far ahead of the rest of the world on consumer protection. Will hopefully rub off on the US and the rest. Usually does.
poopiddy@pawb.social 1 year ago
fuck yeah!! eu rules!
Smacks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
This needs to be sooner, they 100% have the ability to adhere to this law after the next generation
Demographics@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
So, would it be possible to get an eu model with any chance of working here in the U.S? I love a removable battery
Nioxic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
most manufacturers may just make a global model and claim they’re doing it for the good of the consumer because they’re just so nice. Even though its caused by the EU, and making one just for EU that has replacable batteries (which most consumers WANT) , would be shitty
its most likely gonna be possible yes. its probably as simple as importing one… from whichever online retailer you like.
ACabrio@feddit.ch 1 year ago
Only EU though.
Shatter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Which is a large market and could also possibly force change in the US for example. Like the USB-C connector for iPhone ruling which is also being looked at in the US market.
sushibowl@feddit.nl 1 year ago
This will come to other markets. The Brussels Effect is strong.
Kazumara@feddit.de 1 year ago
Well when the USB Type-C connector was forced on them, they didn’t make an EU iPhone. Let’s see if this is enough to push them over.
Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Speaking of this topic, can someone recommend some “free” phone, free as in speech, with disk storage of at least 0.75 TB (with or without sd card)?
I wanted to get a pixel and install graphene on it, but the max storage there is 256 GB, which is miserably low, with no sd card. I’m considering Fairphone. Any suggestions?
wasp@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
The heck is a “free speech” phone? Very few phones prevent you from unlocking the bootloader and putting whatever software you want on it. The problem is what software do you want?
If you’re concerned about Google snooping on you, first off, get an iPhone. (They are marginally less snoopy, but it’s still not great.)
If you’re concerned about stock android, buy any smartphone and put Lineage or Graphene on it. You can then install Google’s services on it if you want (play store!), but at that point I’d save your time and stick with the normal version of Android that shipped with your phone.
If you’re really concerned about FOSS and having control of your device, put a Linux mobile distro on your phone (see here). Be warned, even the best mobile Linux distros are miles behind Android in terms of usability for the average user. If you want to go all in on open source, get a Pinephone or Fairphone and put Linux on it.
As a note of caution, lots of people (including me) think they want a FOSS device until they have to use one. You can totally go FOSS and fully libre, but it does come at the expense of convenience. I am quite happy with my pixel with stock android and all of the convenience that provides, but each to their own.
placq@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why would someone need 750gb of storage?
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 year ago
That’s like 10 movie files in 1080p. That’s not some ungodly amount of storage.
kzhe@lemm.ee 1 year ago
He might be an audiophile who downloads all their high-resolution (I think that’s the term) music.
JimBean@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I have the Pixel 6 Pro, it goes up up to 512gb. I use a USB-C storage stick for anything extra.
Think that’ll work best for you, since I sadly don’t think it’s currently possible to find what you’re looking for.
Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
If 8 pro comes with more than 512 GB, I’m all in with graphene. Waiting to see.
Dwalin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Galaxy note 20 Ultra can go up to 512gb and has a micro SD slot plus support for custom roms
Appointee4912@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
It’s not a “free” phone. Funny enough, it’s my current phone.
Resonosity@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Hell yes!! Step 1 of who knows towards better repairability for one of the most complex technologies accessible to most of the people on the planet.
Hopefully these companies will realize that it’s just easier to make these changes globally and trickle this down to other countries, but we’ll have to see. I personally would want the US to continue this trend, like with what we saw in the Agricultural Right to Repair Act. Maybe an Electronics Right to Repair Act?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
Though I applaud this as a next step in taking back ownership of that which we buy, I do wonder how this will affect keeping phones dust and water tight, like the IP68 rating…
keefshape@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Thats not up to you to decipher. Those companies made those claims. Now they have to back them.
Polymath@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Next up: SCREENS.
I long for the day that a cracked screen becomes a simple swap-out fix.
Especially since so many corporate shitlords seem to intentionally “engineer obsolescence” by making them not very durable to even minor drops with reasonable cases (or various other bizarre things, like pets jumping up while you’re taking a picture or similar)
Frub@lemm.ee 1 year ago
As long as they can engineer a water resistant phone with these guidelines I’m all for it.
Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
They have in the past and then they decided, no, let’s say it’s too difficult and use it as one of the excuses to guarantee limited lifetime of a product.
moitoi@feddit.de 1 year ago
It’s still a thing. Samsung has one.
ClopClopMcFuckwad@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Samsung S5 had IP67 water resistance and a removable battery and a micro SD card slot and a headphone jack.
jeanma@lemmy.ninja 1 year ago
I have think really really hard to find an event in the last 14years where I would have needed a water resistant phone. It doesn’t need to be IP67
zmrl@lemmy.run 1 year ago
I personally have been bringing my phone in the shower for years. It also gives me peace of mind when I’m doing outdoor activities around water.
I remember once I had my phone in my pocket at a party before they were water resistant and I got knocked into the pool. Would have been all set if that phone had water resistance.
cyanide@mander.xyz 1 year ago
Why just batteries?
ghostofjohnnycache@feddit.de 1 year ago
With more context it makes sense. It isn’t just smartphone batteries, but lots of consumer electronics. Phones, tablets, cameras, ebikes/scooters/cars. And other parts of the legislation are focused on battery recycling targets for long-term sustainability.
From another article on the resolution:
All electric vehicle and rechargeable industrial batteries above 2kWh will need to have a compulsory carbon footprint declaration, label, and digital passport.
The parliament also passed new targets for collecting waste and recovering materials from old batteries.
They’re targeting batteries (first) because they use so much lithium and other relatively rare metals, and having so many batteries up in landfills is not only terrible pollution when they leech into water and stuff, but it’s just not compatible with our current and foreseeable dependence on lithium battery tech.
CmdrShepard@lemmy.one 1 year ago
Because it’s a consumable that renders the entire device useless when it goes bad.
smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 1 year ago
It’s the only component that would wear out no matter how you use the phone.
LittleLordLimerick@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The problem with removable batteries is that you sacrifice water-proofness. That’s why iPhone batteries aren’t removable: Apple found that, on average, people prefer a water-proof phone over a replaceable battery. If you make the battery to removable, you can’t use sealants anymore, you’re just relying on a gasket.
Personally, I would rather have a phone that can handle being dropped in a sink full of dishes and am happy to pay $80 every 3 years to have the battery swapped.
mycroftholmess@lemm.ee 1 year ago
So what about the iPhones pre IP68 certification? They never wanted this
scv@discuss.online 1 year ago
As others have mentioned, the Galaxy S5 was water resistant and had a replaceable battery. Phones are generally not water proof, so don’t go dunking them in water expecting them to work. Use a case for that, also if it floats all the better.
Adding a sealant when you close it isn’t a huge chore, although it’s nice to be able to just replace the battery without any tools, it’s better than charging. Also it would still be water resistant until the first battery change.
Watches have replaceable batteries while having replaceable batteries, too.
As a side note, if you drop electronics in water, take the battery out before taking them out of the water, so that the short doesn’t destroy them. The battery will be toast, but that’s cheaper to replace.
MYCOOLNEJM@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Galaxy s5, all of the galaxy xcover phones. And also user removable in a sense that a user must be able to remove it with widely available tools or the tool must be provided. So manufacturers will probably start using screws and give you the screwdriver or something. Probably would also mean longer software upgrades since users probably would not feel the need to buy a new phone every time the battery dies.
squidzorz@lemmy.world 1 year ago
A portable battery should be considered to be removable by the end-user when it can be removed with the use of commercially available tools and without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless they are provided free of charge, or proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents to disassemble it. Commercially available tools are considered to be tools available on the market to all end users without the need for them to provide evidence of any proprietary rights and that can be used with no restriction, except health and safety-related restrictions.
I’m glad they got specific. I wonder where Apple’s self-service battery replacement program falls under this? AFAIK it’s not free. They charge a fee to rent the specialized tools, which are also proprietary.
This gives Apple a few choices:
- Make the tools commercially available, but at an astronomical price in typical Apple fashion
- Make the tools commercially available at a normal consumer price (unlikely)
TheFrirish@jlai.lu 1 year ago
Good thing to wake up to in the morning.
Chipthemonk@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I really don’t like the idea of governments regulating tech and innovations. Although this seems like a good idea, it could severely limit companies in the way they design their phones.
People think that Apple and Samsung maliciously make irreplaceable batteries, but these people barely know how to use their phone in the first place, much less how the phone was engineered. Battery implementation in super thin devices is not a simple affair. Requiring tech to have certain things is really dumb. Let the capitalistic market and buyers figure out what they need. Don’t force it through government.
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Fuck the EU. I hope we still get good small phones and EU assholes only get big bloated as fuck ones.
This is EU actively making my phone more shitty.
PeachMan@lemmy.one 1 year ago
How old are you? Small phones with replacement batteries have always existed. Batteries being removable has nothing to do with size, that’s industry propaganda.
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They’ve always been bigger. You show me a phone with a removable battery and I’ll show you a phone that’s smaller with similar features from a close time period. Might even be ip68 to boot.
focusedkiwibear@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Name one lmao
mercury@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 year ago
What about the small phones back in the 00’s with replaceable batteries?
ShittyRedditWasBetter@lemmy.world 1 year ago
All of them bigger than integrated solutions.
redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Search for galaxy s5. And there were plenty of other ones too. Or you just forgot the /s
rambos@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Kinda late now, we used to have battery problems, they would lose performance after 1-2 years, but not anymore. It would be better if they forced manufacturers to provide easy glass and touchscreen replacement which tend to fail much before batteries
orientalsniper@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve replaced batteries for 1 year old phones.
rambos@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My last few phones had cracked screen after 2-3 years and battery could still hold for a day or more. But yeah battery used to be a first thing to fail on almost every phone before that. Just my experience