Production can't keep up with demand (corporate greed)

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• wulrus@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Ideas?

  • CO2 tax - if it’d be high enough to completely pay for the damage, this shit would stop pretty fast. But even less than that would help. Alternative: Certificates without loopholes. Some use would survive, e. g. an IT professional would still use $ 50 worth of energy per day if it gives a 10 % productivity boost, but models would start consolidating and use all tricks to keep it efficient, rather than push out whatever they can. Only works when imports from regions that refuse to participate are taxed when imported, or outright banned.
  • Huge advantage of machine learning: The “when” is completely flexible. Could just use excess power from renewable peaks, or even nuclear & coal nightly production. But as long as it’s cheap enough to just make more power around the clock: Why should they? They won’t do it voluntarily. Solutions could start with a “green” label for consumers, but that would probably not do that much. It also won’t help when we force them to use 100 % renewables and nuclear, and then they just buy all solar panels and wind turbines off the market leaving us with higher costs and trouble switching to net 0
  • Evaluate the market and identify the bubble. Does an AI focussed company make conservative use of existing capabilities, without overhyping them, or put their money on likely near-future developments, or depend entirely on optimistic future capabilities?
  • With such measures in place, we’d still have the models they trained so far. They’d eventually plateau anyway (or already have). When training of new models stops, as we make it too expensive to spend a lot of power for a tiny improvement, a good part of the power waste stops.

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  • Olmai@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Exponential pricing

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Which means of course instead of charging the data centers for more since they’re using it proportionately more, they charge everybody individually the same per diem rate. Honestly if you use more you should have to pay proportionately more. Oh you use 80% more than the average? You pay 80% more than the average. Sigh. Like the rich people would ever allow that to happen.

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  • Lemminary@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Right? We have this system in Mexico on top of government subsidies. If I go slightly above one period, I’m placed at a higher tier for a little while and pay more per kWh until I drop my usage. It blows my mind that this isn’t a thing in the USA.

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    • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The huge companies that use all that electricity would never allow that to happen. We live in capitalist hell.

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• richardisaguy@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  this might be the first time i see this image being used as it was intended

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• random_character_a@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Fitting image, because clean water for cooling will become an issue sooner.

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• Asidonhopo@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I’ve never seen this meme used in its un-reversed nonironic way.

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• huppakee@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Increased energy production doesn’t lead to more water being available though

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• AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Despite my city having hydroelectric power as one of the power supplies, data centers make me horrified of what damage they’d do if they started popping up in my hometown. Especially with all the water they waste.

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• ebolapie@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  sure lemme just put solar panels on my apartment real quick

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  • Cort@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    If you have a balcony that gets sunlight, you could put a couple panels there. Certainly won’t provide all your electricity but it could make a dent.

    Or you could look into community solar projects

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• shalafi@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  These data centers are a failure on the part of local and state governments. Of course you expect companies to take advantage, that’s what representative government is supposed to protect us from.

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  • Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    representative government is supposed to protect us from.

    Where did you get this idea? Representative government’s only function is to kneecap democracy by removing power from the people and putting it in the handful of a few ‘representatives’.

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    • boonhet@sopuli.xyz ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Anglo spotted

      It’s different in sane first-world countries. Anglosphere countries are the worst at this. I suspect it’s all the Murdoch media.

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    • huppakee@piefed.social ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think they mean a government that represents everyone, not just a single group. If government balances everybodies needs, the hungry are protected against the greedy.

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• its_kim_love@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  This is also happening for water. They could use closed cooling systems, but water is so cheap for them it’s considered a waste of money to not use evaporative cooling .

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