AMD and Sony’s PS6 chipset aims to rethink the current graphics pipeline

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• simple@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  tldr bigger focus on upscaling and data compression, which seems to be what everybody else is doing too

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  • itkovian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    More expensive hardware for shittier graphics. Got it.

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• dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Yeah, not sure if “use upscaling, raytracing and compress a little more” counts as “rethinking”

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  • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I think calculating the rays in a different way does constitute as rethinking the pipeline, especially when we consider that path tracing is one of the most computationally heavy processes in computer graphics. In fact path tracing is so heavy we don’t even do full path tracing (as in we don’t calculate all the possible rays), we essentially cheat by calculating a handful of rays and then sending it through a denoiser (which is why it takes a second to calculate the shadow of your character). There’s a lot of performance to be found in raytracing and if they’ve found some then that’s a pretty big deal.

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    • dormedas@lemmy.dormedas.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I do know all of this, it’s just dedicated hardware for a step we’re currently simulating in shaders. Dedicated hardware that if I’m not mistaken exists on NVIDIA graphics cards already.

      That’s an added capability, not a rethinking. But it will enable raytracing in a way that is far less expensive.

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• LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Ugh games of this era are gonna age like milk with this forced upscaling shite

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  • Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Forced upscaling and blurry TAA is compensating for the fact that they can’t push graphics much further on the hardware we have. The current hardware progression has stagnated, combined with the fact that we are seeing more diminishing returns in graphics as they improve, requiring more power to deliver less of a noticeable difference.

    But it doesn’t mean these games won’t look great when you disable the fakeness and run it with brute force GPU power 10 years from now.

    I honestly think the current graphics we can achive are fine and where the true improvements should come from are better animation and actually good art direction.

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    • FishFace@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Pc gaming can achieve 1080p@120 or more without much effort…

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    • thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I think the primary reason for the GPU stagnation has been the AI / GPU compute bubble over the past 5 years.

      So much on-die space has been diverted away from raw rasterisation power towards CUDA, that it has artificially held back GPU progress.

      When we do see the current AI bubble burst (and it does feel like we’re fast approaching that point, due to all the recent incestuous business dealings), hopefully we can see some innovation return to the sector.

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    • tomatoely@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m no expert on the matter, but I know this yt channel argues that the technology is already available, but big players like unreal engine devs make sub-optimal decisions when implementing these new features, leaving a lot of games being blurry and/or mal-ajusted simply by not knowing any better. Of course, art direction will always be important for a games graphics, but when the vast majority of tools available make things look bad by default, it makes sense that a vast majority will just assume a better result is just not available yet

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  • yermaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨21⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We don’t even need better graphics. What they’re capable of now is already more than we really need.

    I want better/easier tools available for devs.

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  • Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I would much rather prefer remakes than remasters in this case.

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• Feyr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Again? Didn’t they learn with the PS3?

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  • thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The PS3 was the last ‘great’ console from Sony before their wholesale switch to PC architecture with a custom software layer.

    I choose to die on this hill. 😅

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    • Feyr@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It absolutely was, but thats in spite of choosing to launch it on an immature architecture with no developer tooling, not because of it. Imagine what it could have been if it wasn’t so hard to use!

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    • DacoTaco@lemmy.world ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ps4 and ps5 are not pc architectures though. It has a x86/x64 cpu, yes, but that doesnt make it pc architecture. Afaik the ps4/5 does not have a bios, pch, ddr ram controller etc etc

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  • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The PS3 was revolutionary just difficult to shift to programming.

    That said a industry in saturated to declining stages of life should probably not make their product less accessible to those giving it value.

    Everyone still tried to make it work on PS3, I cant imagine that drive will be there for the ps6 era.

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• CluckN@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Ps6 will have 2 games, Ps7 will have one game, by the Ps7 there will be no games.

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• RollingZeppelin@piefed.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Great, more blurry textures.

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