Seems like they are under attack again, will those people never stop?
And it’s back up again! Kudos to the team!
When you notice Lemmy is quieter than usual, thean have a look at the Lemmy.world status
Submitted 1 year ago by Blaze@sopuli.xyz to fediverse@lemmy.world
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Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Fish@midwest.social 1 year ago
I recommend people move away from Lemmy.world. Having ~28% of Lemmy users on a single instance is not good for the Health of Lemmy overall.
For those who want to move to a different instance, here is a link to Lemmy instances sorted by user count: fedidb.org/software/lemmy
Infernal_pizza@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Is there an easy way to move all my subscriptions over?
sj_zero 1 year ago
We're not allowed to have nice things.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Thankfully, other instances are still up and allow us to talk about it.
Back in the days, when Reddit or Twitter were down, it was down for the whole userbase.
sj_zero 1 year ago
Yes, and we can do something about our own instances. Depending on your reverse proxy there's a couple options.
TheBestUsername@lemmy.world 1 year ago
how? I just use Sync for Lemmy and it seems like everything is down when lemmy.world is. I don’t really know how Lemmy works, or where different things I subscribe to are based.
lemmyporn@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
The company running lw are asking for free unpaid 150k+a year admin work.
Fuck them. Someone run this personally and start a non profit.
sj_zero 1 year ago
Lots of options besides the one instance.
TheBat@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nice things cost money and I don’t have it. So, checks out.
Candelestine@lemmy.ca 1 year ago
It’s been this way for weeks, actually. I haven’t seen a graph of the uptime, but I’m sure one would look extremely ugly, based on my own user experience.
This right here is an alt, and despite the fact that I don’t prefer to comment from it, since I won’t necessarily check in soon to see replies, it’s seeing some heavy use.
The attacks a few weeks ago weren’t a one-off, they never stopped. It seems down maybe half the time or so?
One of the many ways we (all of Lemmy) are not quite ready for the mainstream yet, we still have basic technical/security issues to resolve. Soon, though.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
88% on weekly basis lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world
cokane_88@lemmy.world 1 year ago
96.4 uptime
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Isn’t it 88 based on their own status page? lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world
Chickenstalker@lemmy.world 1 year ago
What does not kill you, makes you stronger. The only thing these script kiddies are doing is strength training the world admins.
lemmyporn@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Yeah fucking up uptime during a period people are looking to migrate away from an ingrained product is definitely the path to a successful and strong network. Just like asking for unpaid admins (typically $100-200 an hour) to price on call duty for free.
What you are seeing is a business cheap out, have zero clue or plan about scale, not give two fucks about privacy, and trick you all into giving that business a free pass for being shitty and execute poorly.
This isn’t making shit stronger. It means normies will always make sure this place is the new 4chan.
SnowdenHeroOfOurTime@unilem.org 1 year ago
What the fuck to literally all of this
echo@feddit.uk 1 year ago
It was always going to happen but an instance being the defacto default for Lemmy is a bad thing.
There really needs to be a tool to help people pick an instance, but even then people would just flock to the general instances like .world anyway
Molecular0079@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I also think instances just need to have more sane urls. It sounds silly but like it or not branding does matter. Instances like beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions. Even some of my friends who I’ve tried to introduce to Lemmy are just like…“what the fuck kinda website are you making me go to?” I am not surprised that lemmy.world is big, partly because the URL actually sounds official.
We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances and a way to migrate between instances before the masses will be okay with smaller instances.
raptir@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Views that show you multiple communities would be great. Let me see both major Steam Deck communities in one view.
LazerDickMcCheese@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Sound like you should join the dev team as an idea person, I support you
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
beehaw and sh.itjust.works just rub me the wrong way during first impressions
They’re pretty descriptive: do you want a place to “behave”, or would you rather fling shit at each other?
This isn’t Reddit, you get to pick your experience. Can even sign up to more than one instance, each with different rules!
We also need super-communities that pull in content from multiple communities/instances
Apps do that, including some web app.
Search and migrations could be improved, though.
jeffhykin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Look at my post on how we can solve this!
OP: lemm.ee/post/2800726 TLDR: Automatic User Distribution
Whenever someone goes to the sign up page, for example, on Lemmy.world, we:
- look at the recommender list
- find the server that is most under capacity
- have a very large iframe with "Sign up for Lemmy (using [under capacity server here])"
- have a small “No, I want to sign up specifically on Lemmy.world” option
jarfil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Does it take into account instance rules like language, moderation, or whether it’s a personal instance hosted on a raspi that may go down at any moment?
midas@ymmel.nl 1 year ago
Would also be cool to have like a short questionnaire, like picking your class in Morrowind, but instead you end up on a German industrial metal music instance.
raptir@lemm.ee 1 year ago
It makes sense that general purpose instances would have the most users. I’m not a programmer so while I could still register there why would I pick programmer.dev?
The bigger issue I had in picking an instance was just in understanding the differences. I think it would help if instances advertised their stance on defederation, moderation, etc… to help people make a decision (or even to see that lemmy.world may be more similar to some other instances than they might think).
HelloHotel@lemmy.world 1 year ago
multiple accounts, one macro, one micro, works wonders. i like my lemm.ee account more usually but lemmy.world was my gateway as it was the one advertised to me the most
mayo@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The more lemmy.world is down the more I use my alt instance. We’ll adapt.
STUPIDVIPGUY@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
yeah it’s lame but it’s more harmful for the hackers in how much time they are wasting. not that their time is worth much apparently
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Indeed, and it seems like it’s down again
Butters@lemmynsfw.com 1 year ago
Uhh, jeepers I’m on my NSFW account because my main lemmy account is on lemmy.world. Hamburgers.
paddirn@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’m not going to pretend to understand the technical details, but would it make more sense if Instances were treated more like subreddits? So instead of the main Lemmy.world instance, we’d have gaming.world, news.world, nsfw.world, woodworking.world, and so on. So then things would be distributed more evenly across the fediverse and it would be harder for a single for a DDOS attack to take out the entire system all at once? Or does the architecture of the whole thing not make any sense doing it like that? Would each instance then have to setup their own server or something to make it work?
Die4Ever@programming.dev 1 year ago
I guess the community names could be subdomains, the default config would pass all the subdomains to the same Lemmy process. But this would make it easier to split things up down the road, and you could move some of those sub domains to different servers entirely.
biddy@feddit.nl 1 year ago
Each instance is it’s own server, then it has many communities which are created by users. Ideally we spread the communities across instances, but unfortunately most of the big communities are clustered on the big instances, because finding communities on small instances is hard.
Aurix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I think lemmy.world is too large for the health of the fediverse. A nasty incident which takes it down permanently could “kill” Lemmy as a whole. Perhaps a sign up stop is in order.
infotainment@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Attitudes like this are much worse for the health of the Fediverse, IMO.
A popular instance with users and content? Kill it immediately, we can’t risk people actually using the Fediverse.
jeffhykin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Instead of blocking sign-ups we can have Lemmy’s sign up automatically recommend other servers.
Another developer and I already have a PR in development for it.
Here’s the idea in more detail: Imagine the following:
- Servers declare a target number of users/posts-per-day (enables programmatically detecting when other people’s servers are generally under/over capacity)
- Severs have a recommender list of other servers (whitelist), separate and more exclusive than their non-blocked list
Whenever someone goes to the sign up page, for example, on Lemmy.world, we:
- look at the recommender list
- find the server that is most under capacity
- have a very large iframe with "Sign up for Lemmy (using [under capacity server here])"
- have a small “No, I want to sign up specifically on Lemmy.world” option
AND, as a precaution against maybe-malicious takeovers (e.g. a Facebook server saying it has unlimited capacity and all new users getting forwarded to them) a server can set it’s own maximum recommender caps; e.g. “recommended” servers won’t be recommended if they’re above 10,000 users even if they claim they could handle more.
Thoughts?
Aurix@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Wonderful compromise, love it. Thank you.
TooLazyDidntName@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Its really unfortunate. Im working on setting up my own personal instance right now. Im really grateful for all the work Lemmy.world has done, but im just getting tired of not being able to use Lemmy maybe 1/8th of the time I open the app.
Just a +1 for decentralized social media. The fact that I can just set up my own instance when im not 100% happy with the one im currently on is awesome.
laughingm0n@lemmyhub.com 1 year ago
Right, and thats the issue. I host an instance but we only have a few users. Our instance does run very very well though because we don’t get a ton of user traffic.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Enjoy!
hyper@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
lemmy.world has been so unstable for that I decided to switch to another instance. That’s the beauty of the Fediverse though.
I setup my own Uptime Kuma Monitor for lemmy.world just for fun… the statistics are crazy Imageimaqtpie@lemmy.villa-straylight.social 1 year ago
Oof that’s brutal. Didn’t realize it was that bad.
There’s a lot of small instances wanting to become medium/big instances and share the load, but people need to show a bit of initiative and join them. I just made this account, and here’s a list of a few other small servers with room to spare. YMMV but these all look pretty solid at a glance.
discuss.online lemmy.fmhy.net lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz lemmy.tf thelemmy.club lemmy.myserv.one
yumpoopsoup@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Can I transfer my subscribed list and anything else?
Artaca@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I keep hearing about people switching, but is it just registering a new account at another instance? I joined world but would gladly jump instances to something more stable.
TechnoBabble@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Just pick a mid-sized instance and there’s a 99% chance it’s more stable than Lemmy.world right now.
Look at users who don’t sound insane and see where they’re posting from.
hyper@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
Hey, sorry for the late reply.
You can either look at join-lemmy.org or lemmyverse.net to find a new instance.I also found this tool that helps you to sync communities you’re subscribed to to other accounts on other instances: github.com/wescode/lemmy_migrate
MonkderZweite@feddit.ch 1 year ago
Does the colored bar on top have a measure?
Dasnap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Are they suffering DDOS attacks? They might need something like Cloudflare to combat this. Maybe some kind of reverse-proxy if the attack isn’t super massive.
p0ppe@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Dasnap@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Ah shite.
ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 1 year ago
“Always Online” ™️
President_Pyrus@feddit.dk 1 year ago
That doesn’t really work for logged in users though, right?
L3s@lemm.ee 1 year ago
The current issue is actually an ongoing DB issue. It’s not solely affecting LW.
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 1 year ago
Yes. My instance will sometime have unusual high load and it will overload the cpu unless restarted. 0.18.3 doesn’t seems to fix it, and it only affect some instance but not all. It’s hard to pinpoint what cause the loop to happen.
kevtav@lemmy.world 1 year ago
sh.itjust.works to the rescue
SamC@lemmy.nz 1 year ago
Or find a smaller instance. If everyone joins a bigger instance it’s just moving the problem
Boinketh@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I think we’ll be good if everyone splits up relatively evenly between the top 10-20 instances.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Yuh
ekZepp@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Zengen@lemmy.world 1 year ago
They want to put out the fire. Let us show them the strength of the Hydra. Cut off one head and a thousand more shall take its place. We all remember what happened when they tried to end the piratebay.
AndreyAsimow@lemmy.zip 1 year ago
It’s getting really annoying. Is there an mobile friendly way to migrate my account from lemmy.world to lemmy.zip?
Stinkywinks@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Why are people attacking a msg board?
A_A@lemmy.world 1 year ago
it’s been a rough two days, but I see a clearing in the sky 😋 !
CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 year ago
Hopefully more will join smaller instances.
waterbogan@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Yeah who are these fucks? Whats their damage? Somebody oughta go knock some sense into them
jerrimu@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I need another instance so I can lurk when this happens.
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Status page: lemmy-status.org/endpoints/_lemmy-world
Sygheil@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Oohhh, that is why sometimes browsing to world gives me cuckflare error.
Very_Bad_Janet@kbin.social 1 year ago
You can also create an alt on kbin and subscribe to Lemmy communities there. I'm posting this from kbin.social.
Blaze@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
Seems down again lemmy-status.org, testing if I can see this comment from other instances
transistor@lemdro.id 1 year ago
Just another day…
wntrcrs@awful.systems 1 year ago
Yeah I am gonna try out a few different ones and see how it goes. Luckily its decentralized to an extent so I can just use my list of written down communities
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Seems down again lemmy-status.org
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
As always, previous comment/post in a similar situation: sopuli.xyz/comment/1603292
RatzChatsubo@lemm.ee 1 year ago
You would think we all learned our lesson once Vlemmy broke
laughingm0n@lemmyhub.com 1 year ago
This is why we need users to spread to more servers and create communities in them. If lemmy.world goes down that shouldn’t result in half of lemmyhub disappearing.
fraydabson@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
Yes! I tried with a niche topic like fallout but can’t get people to move over from the Lemmy world community.
June@lemm.ee 1 year ago
I’m more of a commenter and less of a poster, but I moved away from world as my primary instance last week. Part to spread the load, part to just be able to browse.
BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Commenting on your comment not because I expect you to have them or anything, it’s just the top comment so hopefully someone sees this. I know there’s a handful of links out there to browse instances. Are there any that can see who’s defederated with who/ which instances are federated with the most instances? I had another account on a .ml domain instance but they got purged with a bunch of others a couple of weeks ago. I use my lemmy.world account because it has the most-ish reach for finding new communities and whatnot
Blaze@sopuli.xyz 1 year ago
You can have a look at my comment here: sopuli.xyz/comment/1603292
Usually lemmy.fediverse.observer/list is a good resource
laughingm0n@lemmyhub.com 1 year ago
Currently no, there isn’t a way to see that granular of detail. On my instance I have details about any defederated (blocked) instances. Currently there are none.
But there are pros and cons of joining smaller server. Since mine is small we don’t see a large list of communities, I make a point to go through and subscribe to a bunch everyday so my users can get the best experience. But without others doing some of the leg work it can be challenging. Bigger instances like lemmy.world have “seeded” with communities all over because of their large user base. Not only does lemmy.world have a ton of communities but their users have subscribed to communities outside the instance making it discoverable to others.
Skoobie@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Glad I’m realizing this before getting too attached to any one account. Setting up on a few instances now.
laughingm0n@lemmyhub.com 1 year ago
Getting attached to any account is not recommended. Hopefully most are pretty set but I know personally if I was too run into financial trouble I would shut it down. Bigger instances do get some amount of patrons who donate to them.
jeffhykin@lemm.ee 1 year ago
There’s a posposal for an automatic user distribution system (original post here: lemm.ee/post/2800726). Showing support for it would be a big help!