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It’s getting time to retire the old Apple Airport Time Capsule, and I’m looking recommendations on easy-to-use replacements. This would be used for general files and automatic laptop backups.
Requirements:
I’ve never used a dedicated NAS, so I’m humbly seeking the opinions of the Lemmy experts. Thank you!
I had a two bay Synology device for many years before I upgraded to a home lab. I liked it quite a bit as a beginner. The interface was easy to use, dead simple to set up the basics, and it had some advanced capability for those curious.
I’d strongly recommend a “plus” model. They are usually only slightly more expensive than their non-plus counterpart for a fairly significant upgrade.
This is the correct answer. Very beginner friendly. Very capable of growing on from this. Great way to onboard beginners.
I started with a 2 bay Intel CPU Synology. Used it for a couple of years.used it to learn about Docker. When I started using too many Docker apps and Synology couldn’t keep up, then I got a mini PC for compute and kept the Synology as just a plain NAS.
People recommending manual options for any “make your own” solution is throwing someone way into the deep end. OP can do that if that’s what he’s up for. But my first recommendation to anyone would be to pick up a secondhand Synology and bookmark:
I have a Synology that does everything I need it to do and it is very simple and reliable. The new ones will restrict what hard drives they are compatible with to only HDDs certified by Synology, so I would not recommend one of those ones
I have a DS923+ with four Seagate 8TB drives in it that I really like. It’s easy to use and offers a lot of services. However, like others have said, I do not recommend it for new purchases. If I were to do it again I would most likely set up an old PC as a server (though I went with the Synology mainly for power use reasons). Synology is getting increasingly customer hostile, and from what I’ve read online their Linux version is so full of bespoke patches that they have painted themselves in a corner it will be hard to get out of. So, they’re likely to fall behind on keeping up with third party software. Their software is usually pretty slick and easy to use, but they discontinue things every few cycles. The main thing I still use of theirs is Synology Drive, which was a pretty seamless move from Google Drive. On the flipside, their stuff is proprietary, so getting off of their platform can be challenging. For my self-hosting needs I try not to tie anything to the Synology and just use it as a plain NAS. I use my Raspberry Pi or a VM instead.
Dust off your old PC, put some hard drives into it and install Nextcloud on it.
“NAS” is just an acronym for “Network Attached Storage”.
A NAS is literally any computer that is setup to host storage that’s accessible over a network. That’s it. Don’t get suckered into overpriced underpowered crap. Literally any PC made in the last decade has more horsepower than a brand new “dedicated NAS”. A Pentium G4560T (i.e. 6th/7th gen Intel) will run OMV or TrueNAS or whatever without a hitch. Stuff an old ATX case with hard drives, load OMV or TrueNAS or something, and go to town.
Ideally? I’d say something with support for 2 drives, mirrored.
Without a price to define “not crazy expensive”, I’d say take a look at QNAP and Synology 2-bay devices, pick what fits the price range. I’d put it on the network and mount it on the PCs you want to as a drive to drop things in.
Then I’d add one more thing - 3-2-1 for anything critical.
How critical data is would be up to you and your parents, I just want to note that a single backup at your home is not going to be helpful if there is flooding or a fire or whatever that would damage both the originals and the backup device.
Get a old workstation and put some drives in it
I’ve had synology, QNAP and a few DIY builds. I can tell you the diy route is better every time. They get a much longer life and lower costs.
If cheap is the most important thing and you don’t need more than 2 drives, consider an odroid HC-4. You can always 3D print a different shell for it if you want too. I made a cylinder Mac Pro shell for a friends dads build.
You can’t rely on mass produced NAS devices because they don’t support their stuff long term. It always blows up. And when the In go wrong in the short term, the support is trash tier. I once had a synology that would crash every time it went to sleep and it would ignore my attempts to sleep off. When I got hold of support, they told me to open the SSH port to the WAN for it and they would get to it in a week or 2. Damn thing was attacked instantly.
Never use an off the shelf NAS.
What I would personally do is get a standard pc, anything that you can plug sata hard drives into and get for cheap, get two hard drives of whatever size you deem necessary, and then put them in raid 1, this means that both drives are a copy of eachother, so if one dies the data is okay.
Afterwards you can put whatever software you want, but I would need more info on what you want to do with it to give recommendations there. ie: general file storage only, or also stuff like online document editing? Backups from what kind of system? Only macs or something else too? How technical are you for setup and stuff?
so if one dies the data is okay.
RAID1 doesn’t protect you against bitrot, config errors from 4 months ago, or a power failure that fries the whole machine.
The reason they say “RAID is not a backup” is that it is not a safeguard against the above.
Well yeah ofc, the op stated they would also have an offsite backup, so I figured I didn’t have to specify
Synology. Whatever is in your budget.
Yes, they’ve done things to piss off the community, and sure, a DIY build is going to give you more control and powerful hardware.
But you can get support (though Synology or the Internet communities of users), and if any family member ever needs to take it over, it’ll be easy for them to pick up and manage.
Checkout Doctor Frankenstein UK for most things you wanna do with it. Buy him a coffee if you find it useful. I sure did, and I did.
Have you considered a raspbery pi and an two external SSDs?
There is so much wrong with this
Like what
Why not go truly selfhosters and build your own? Any PC + JBOD + ZFS, then add whichever services you need. Plenty of guides out there.
If you want low effort high value then get a synology 2 bay. If you want full control over the host OS then run Debian/arch with zfs
You either have
I decided I wanted something long-term, and bought a NAS appliance I can boot my own OS onto it, so I went with the Ugreen DXP2800.
I’m running Ubuntu LTS, with Cockpit as the webUI to manage parts of it, and my web services are all running through podman containers (aka quadlets).
There’s a bit of a learning curve, for all of this.
If i am to get a new NAS I would get store.ui.com/us/en/products/unas-2
Just buy an external SSD and sign up to backblaze. Honestly if all you want is storage and backups there’s not much better or easier.
That’s terrible advice if retaining control of your data is in any way a priority.
Why? You have a copy, you have an offsite copy, and you can browse and download from the copy at any time of any device via the cloud.
Depends how attractive it needs to be. “Entry level” could be an old PC you kave kicking around.
An old PC is the best NAS, even if you choose a dedicated NAS now it’s likely that you’ll want to “upgrade” to an old PC in a year or two. Unlike premade NAS boxes you have full control over the software and can modify the hardware as needed. You can undervolt/underclock to save power too, so the main difference is only the physical space it takes. Having the ability to run docker containers and VMs on the same device is incredibly useful, and you’ll get significantly faster transfers despite the drastically lower cost.
Having the ability to run docker containers and VMs on the same device is incredibly useful
You’ve been able to do this on NAS’s for years…
I kinda hate to agree with the other suggestions here, but entry level and even dedicated NAS products are pretty expensive for providing something you can very easily DIY for significantly cheaper even with the latest hardware.
Was in a similar boat and just ended up taking an old HP desktop and added some cheap HDDs. I ended up playing around with proper Fedora for some LVM cache tricks and running some other services, but the common suggestion for this is SnapRAID and Nextcloud.
The Beelink mini nas is very similar in stature. It uses NVMe drives, it cannot saturate the NVMe bus but its plenty fast.
You might consider something like the friendly elec CM3588 for a DIY option with openmediavault or freenas. I have a big old box currently with spinning metal, but am looking at this as an option now that there are some larger m.2 drives available.
Beelink ME Mini
I have a 2 drive TerraMaster. I’m no advanced user of NAS’s. It was easy setup and use for me
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I will warn you against the mistake I made: DO NOT buy a WD MyCloud device.
They work okay, but you have zero control over what runs on the device. You will be limited if you want to run any apps that aren’t included.
Make sure whatever you end up getting, it has support for running docker containers if you even remotely think that’s a use case you want.
Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The WD devices also offer very limited long term support. The MyBook Live had a software exploit found a couple years after launch that allowed remote access to your files and enabled third parties to wipe your drives. Wd said “wow, that sucks, here is a $15 coupon for a new one. No, we aren’t gonna patch it. Buy a new one” I will never buy another wd device except for the raw discs.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Why even buy the raw discs? Their SSDs are trash (including their SanDisk offerings) and for hard drives seagate is perfectly fine. If I’m oka with high a cheap SSD, I’ll just buy an inland drive.
frongt@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
That’s not part of OP’s requirements, so I would recommend an appliance device like that. It does one thing, reasonably well, and has a non-technical interface to manage backups and restores.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Yeah, this all depends on how sure OP is in their requirements.
It works well as a Time Machine server but I did have to add a weekly reboot out flat it would get stuck.
But after buying my requirements changed and it couldn’t evolve to meet them, which is why I would warn against if there’s any chance you want to run out of the box services.
AppearanceBoring9229@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Came here just to say that. Avoid WD.