LOL! The Red Run Deregulated Texas Oblast does not surprise me with this kind of shit. If it dries up, the fucking red voters can stay and find the fuck out.
Imagine not being able to shower, because AI slop generator machines need that water!
Submitted 7 months ago by ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 7 months ago
MissJinx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
don’t be selfishn, Microsoft AI will be used by the whole world and only few people will need this water to shower.
S/ hahahha
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Imagine not having obese AI fart videos because you want a shower?
Hikuro93@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Well, I mean…Not for nothing, but Texas being one of the reddest states there is, and even being willing to double it down by heavily gerrymandering themselves for Trump worship, means that they did vote to serve their deep state and oligarch overlords. Which is quite ironic for the small government party.
But then again, irony is in their DNA, starting with all their preaching about “keeping kids safe”. Speaking of which, Trump files where? I need to check if Epstein’s name comes up in those.
1984@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Nice to see humanity has its priorities straight as usual… :)
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 7 months ago
Hilarious, hilarious. Hilarious.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 months ago
its funny how these AI centers are mostly if not all in red states only, simply because they know the legislation wont do anything, and encourage them anyways, plus the resident that leans right are less likely to make a big fuss over it.
Freefall@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes, Texas did vote for that. Haha, Red states suffering is funny.
ours@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They owned the
libsthemselves…CaptnNMorgan@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They owned the themselves
caboose2006@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Whether or not they did we all exist under the same atmosphere.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Yes, Texas did vote for that.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space 7 months ago
I know not everyone’s guilty, but let’s be real. Anyone still living in Texas after having a near decade to see the writing on the wall to get their shit together and leave (and I don’t mean something as arduous as immigrating, I mean literally just moving across the state border) kind of only has themselves to blame.
It’s ground zero for Trump Administration neo-conservatism [fascism]. Genuinely, what do they expect?
bluelander@lemmy.ml 7 months ago
Texan here: we barely get to vote on shit at all. And they’re gerrymandering to make it even harder.
I’d call Texas a clown car but it’s too big to qualify.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world 7 months ago
After Civil War 2, Texas and parts of Mexico would end it with a treaty as a single independent country with their own shit stains to live with.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
The estimate of the majority Democrats would need to retake the Senate is something like 70/30, based on the degree of gerrymandering.
And the math just gets worse every time maps are redrawn.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
How strong is Fair Maps Texas? Assuming it’s sincere in its effort to redistrict Texas fairly, Maybe they need more
brickthrowerssaboteurssign wavers and clerical volunteers.
maniajack@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Here’s the report this came from austinchronicle.com/…/texas-is-still-in-drought-a…
forkDestroyer@infosec.pub 7 months ago
Can’t wait for the water wars to start. :-/
haloduder@thelemmy.club 7 months ago
Seems like the real problem is that companies aren’t being charged enough for their excessive water usage.
It’s no surprise this is happening in the Land of Useful Idiots and Dipshits, texas.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 months ago
less regulation, plus gop/republicans arnt going to protest over something that is pollution/environmental damage, at least not in large numbers.
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
During the 1986-1992 California drought, we were informed in the San Francisco Bay Area region that water service prices were going to go up unless we conserved strictly.
They said this to a bunch of California hippies, on account that we were in California.
So we way got on board. We stopped flushing. Any water that was rendered non-potable we’d repurpose for watering plants or filter it for second use. Japanese naval baths (weird tiny bowl seats and a sponge, used in the Imperial Navy, WWII) got popular so people were keeping clean via a tenth of normal water usage.
We conserved too much according to the water department and they raised prices anyway.
This sparked some investigations (by journalists, since investigative journalism was still a thing then) and found that agriculture got water for much cheaper, and was still using it once before flushing it (now laced with pesticides) out into the sea. Needless to say, we conservationist hippies were livid.
It’s still a problem, as the utility companies routinely lobby our congress and governor (and Newsom may know how to be a California liberal, but he’s still a Dianne-Feinstein-style ( / Nancy-Pelosi style) money-grubbing neoliberal. He just has game, especially when opposed to far right idiots. The setup in Monster’s Inc (power crisis in a city where scream is the principal power source) was inspired by the Enron fraud affair leading to rolling blackouts and Texas siphoning off California’s general fund. And our governments from Schwarzenegger (who I will never forgive) to Newsom are in the pocket of PG&E. (I’m on SMUD now and my bill is conspicuously less.)
Also, according to Climate Town, the Sauds own a lot of California farmland, where they grow alfalfa to import to the mid-east to feed their cows. Alfalfa crops are one of the most water hungry, and is one of the big ways beef is driving the climate crisis (and towards a massive food shortage and global famine!) and the water tables, to which they have access and first-tap rights, gets lower every year. 🕙
So I suspect that the Texas AI centers are getting water at a cheaper rate than private homes. Maybe it’s something to get active about.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I hate how datacenters get blamed for issues that are clearly caused more by shitty outdoor farms than cooling towers
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 7 months ago
would you like to read about the xAI data center that is poisoning anyone unfortunate enough to live near it time.com/7021709/elon-musk-xai-grok-memphis/
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So the people should build a giant warehouse that uses a bazillion gallons of water that feeds into the warehouse and in the same pipe back to the water system, get wholesale rates and charge consumers the cheaper rate!
Same pipe, just make sure it goes into the warehouse so you can charge people for what leaves.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 months ago
You want to trust the water a data center with zero regulations is regurgitating?
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Why the fuck do they alway pick the driest places to use the most water. Fucking morons
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz 7 months ago
Industrial cooling is all about evaporating some liquid into gas. For evaporative coolers, that liquid is water and works best if the air is dry and water is plentiful (the absurd part). If you don’t have water or the air is so humid that evaporation is difficult, the liquid is expensive refrigerant which must recycle back into liquid in a closed loop with a gas compressor that pumps the waste heat into the air through forced convection heat exchangers (big fans blowing air past hot refrigerant-filled pipes), all of which consumes a lot of energy.
Ideally, we’d live in a post scarcity society in which huge arrays if solar panels would provide electricity to run closed-loop refrigerant plants that would consume zero water to cool our data centers.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Vapor chamber with the river.
pressanykeynow@lemmy.world 7 months ago
There’s only one obvious answer to that question in a capitalism world. Because it’s cheaper than other places. Why is it cheaper for the corporations in the driest places where common people need to stop using showers is also obvious.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Less regulations also
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Because that usually means it’s hot and sunny so things grow well if you can get water to it.
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I always rant about tech moving to Austin.
They need low heat, reliable power, and an abundance of water.
Texas is literally none of those things.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
We have low regulations though. Which is why they do it.
SonOfAntenora@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’m not joking when i say that not using ai is mostly improving my reasoning. Probably, each time I used it, i had to subconsciously offset some thinking to that brainless machine. I’m fine the way I am, i know it’s being propped up as some ultimate solution but my creative output improved too.
We’re probably offsetting some thinking and memorisation to a computer with a complete lack of experience of the real world, and it’s somehow being presented as acceptable. I do n’t think it’s fine.
WalterLego@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
They deregulated shower heads just in time.
brachiosaurus@mander.xyz 7 months ago
You should complain whenever million gallons of water are wasted by corporations seeking profits or by governments for their shady operations. Not just when it’s about AI.
MNByChoice@midwest.social 7 months ago
Stinky teens need shirts that point the blame at Microsoft. Get ripe and hang out with old people.
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
Stoopid Texans. You’ve got the guns, start using the things. If they need cooling, maybe aerate a few blocks of servers for them.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Now you got me wondering if we can shoot the heat away from AI datacenters. /s
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Can’t they just use seawater or use air cooling?
MNByChoice@midwest.social 7 months ago
A lot of the need is due to the heat density of the GPUs used for GenAI. Could they build less densely? Yes, and they likely already are but need to go further. I have seen data centers with racks less than half (I think it was closer to one quarter) populated for energy density issues.
Could they use sea water? Sea water causes more corrosion. (I am uncertain if this data center is close to the ocean.)
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Can’t they just make sub 75w GPUs that require basic cooling?
UncleGrandPa@lemmy.world 7 months ago
So not only are Corporations… People
Now they are more important people than regular citizens?
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Under capitalism they always were. Just take a close look at exactly who the “Founding Fathers” were.
null@lemmy.nullspace.lol 7 months ago
So assuming the datacenter uses the water for cooling, what happens to the water? Does it just get released as steam?
excral@feddit.org 7 months ago
Of course it would be possible to capture and condensate the steam but that equipment would cost money. If just using more water is cheap and unregulated there is no incentive not to do just so.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 months ago
It often just evaporates, since they’re using evaporative cooling.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world 7 months ago
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I’ve heard it said that the austrian school/anarcho capitalism is the anti Vax/flat earth of economics
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 7 months ago
“Since Microsoft dropped its DEI initiatives, it’s good actually!”
DivineDev@piefed.social 7 months ago
So genuine question, how is a datacenter needing water equivalent to showering? When people shower, the water gets dirty and needs to be cleaned. When water is used to cool servers, it gets warm but that should not be a problem, it doesn't need to go through a water treatment facility afterwards (?)
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca 7 months ago
The water may be treated with anticorrosives.
davad@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I have no idea what the infrastructure setup is like for cooling that data center, but one way of water cooling is to take in cool water and dump the hot water. If you do this in your home, it’s an “open loop geothermal heat pump.” You pull in water from a well, heat or cool the water with your AC heat exchanger, then pump it back into the ground or into the sewer.
WhiteOakBayou@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They use potable water and they use evaporative cooling.
xia@lemmy.sdf.org 7 months ago
I don’t understand why AI data centers would CONSUME water. Once they fill up their chiller loops, then… that’s it, right?
It’s hard for me to imagine them relying on the temperature of the incoming water, and dumping all the warm water as discharge.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 7 months ago
Because the massive stacks of high-powered chips that they use, tend to get very hot. They don’t use the kind of computers that work through passive cooling.
I say, as my Laptop burns into my lap.
Forfaden@lemmy.world 7 months ago
From what I’ve seen it’s “not worth the effort or expense” to reuse the water. Some of them literally just send tap water through the cooling loops and then into the sewer drains
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 7 months ago
They’re probably using cooling towers, which cool through evaporation. They should be using reclaimed though.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
This is the right answer. They use evaporative cooling. Which does save a lot of power so they can claim to be “green”.
SL3wvmnas@discuss.tchncs.de 7 months ago
As long as it is cheaper to buy water, then evaporate it, big firms will continue to do so.
With a COP of around 15 and up it is difficult to argue with the economy of this.
Local regulation would be required, but that would need politicians who don’t suck.
waspentalive@lemmy.world 7 months ago
I worked 10 years at a data center, all that water is recycled - it is very carefully chemically balanced so as to not corrode the pipes and pumps, no they do not use it once and dump it out.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world 7 months ago
But it does spoil and evaporate doesn’t it? So it’s still a continuous demand that’s not sustainable in that part of the world.
rumba@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
WTF don’t they just use a closed geothermal loop?
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 7 months ago
Im actually curious on how much energy can be reused from heat alone.
rumba@lemmy.zip 7 months ago
Move the operation to someplace cold, start up a little town around it and provide heat as a utility.
nullroot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Could someone explain to me how these data centers use up water? Like it’s it evaporating? What happens to the water? I get the water consumption is very high but is the problem we’re removing it from places that don’t refill or does into the environment mean it’s not wastewater? Please someone help me understand.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 months ago
They use evaporative cooling in the name of being “green”. Saves a lot of energy, but at the cost of water use.
Auth@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Doesnt this mean the water will come back when it rains? Its not being polluted and rendered unusable is it?
RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Generating power with coal/nuclear/hydro uses water, and since the LLM data centers use power that would otherwise not have been generated, this is one of the ways that they use up water.
For cooling many (most?) data centers use evaporative cooling. That evaporated water could be captured again with a heat pump (reducing the wasted water + recuperating heat for other uses), but it’s Texas, so it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the data centers have no intensive to be less wasteful.
nullroot@lemmy.world 7 months ago
That is super helpful, thank you.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Generating power with coal/nuclear/hydro uses water, and since the LLM data centers use power that would otherwise not have been generated, this is one of the ways that they use up water.
I doubt those are constantly consuming large amounts of water. hydro just lets it through, and nuclear has chained closed loop systems, and they also let through some after the last loop
fox2263@lemmy.world 7 months ago
Newer aerated shower heads help with that 👀
excral@feddit.org 7 months ago
The priorities are completly screwd up. If they found a way to power the AI datacenters with humans, Matrix style, would they ask Texans to sacrifice their first borns to do so?
bitwolf@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
Prerequisite to that would be banning abortions so that tracks
turdburglar@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
elon is currrently. using the aquifer drinking water under memphis to cool grok. he’s also powering it with generators and smogging out the city.
please do not use grok.
cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works 7 months ago
I just told Chat GPT to implement my code fully and now you can’t shower. Suck it!