Submitted 2 weeks ago by incogtino@lemmy.zip to askelectronics@discuss.tchncs.de
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I have a controller for an electric throw blanket that I would like to repair, but I have no experience soldering on boards
You can see at bottom left a yellow box and a resistor. Something has burnt out in this area, and likely both will need to be replaced at a mimimum
I would also need help identifying parts. The yellow box is embossed ‘Tenta’ and has printed on the side ‘TC MEX/TENTAMKP 0.1 uf 275VAC’ with some other markings obscured or damaged
Is this an achievable project?
Yellow box is definitely a capacitor (a radial film 0.1 μF 275VAC X2 class capacitor to be specific - typically used for EMI suppression). It’s possible that the board will work without it (as seems it’s only used for filtering/interference suppression) but I would replace it. If you do replace it, definitely spring for an X2 class as well, don’t cheap out or you can end up with a spicy explosion. You will need the same capacitance (0.1 μF / microfarad) and the same or greater voltage (at least 275 VAC / Volts on Alternating Current). Maybe even get the same one - www.ebay.com/itm/405324404548 although $10 for just two capacitors is insanely expensive. Here are some more which should work: eu.mouser.com/c/…/safety-capacitors/?capacitance=… (just make sure to get the Lead Spacing right - I’d guess yours is 10 mm, but better to measure out).
The device below that blown resistor is likely a thermal fuse, designed to prevent exactly the situation that happened (that means two things - this exact event has probably happened during manufacturer testing, and your thermal fuse is not up to spec). I would try replacing it with a thermal fuse that’s at least 240VAC rated voltage, something like 10 A rated current, and something like 150°C trip temperature.
It’s a bit hard to identify the exact value of the resistor because it has discolored so much. I would try desoldering it, measuring it with a multimeter (on Ω/Ohm setting) and see what value comes out, then get a 2W or 3W resistor of a slightly larger value and see what happens. This is the most risky part of the whole ordeal, if you get it too high the thing will probably not work, if you get it too low it might explode again. Probably would stay away when plugging it in for the first time :)
Awesome thanks for that. I think it’s worth doing once, it it breaks again I’ll take the hint, and I’ll also make sure I plug it in outside on an extension
Good luck, and be careful. In any case it would probably be a fun new experience - getting components, soldering them, and then either you get a working blanket or some tiny very dangerous fireworks :)
Honestly this is not worth the risk, It looks like a simple enough repair a high watt resister a cap and possibly an IC (U1 looks burnt) BUT consider this, something happened to cause the failure and that something could still be around, like a short in the heating element of the throw. Whoever designed this obviously did not test the failure mode of the device. The reason things are UL rated (other certs for non US) is that they get tested and found to not fail in a manor that will cause harm to the user or fire. The failure mode of this device could cause a fire, if you repair it and the same thing happens. . . . Don’t risk it, Toss it out.
What does the X2 class mean?
It’s a “safety capacitor” used across AC, similar to a Y cap, they have a known failure mode that is designed to not cause fire.
Thanks so much, agree that any repair attempt would be one and done
Technically, since they are throughhole components and nothing specific. (Fried resistor, 0,1nf capacitor and maybe a damaged thermal fuse.) The issue is that those components failed becasue of something happening and unless you find out and fix what caused this you can change those components as many times as you want they will just blow again.
Thanks, as a learning exercise I am willing to have one good go before I turn the electronics into waste, but if they blow again that may be the end of it
I’ve been given an opportunity to ask ‘genuineparts’ where I should buy parts 😉 (I’m in Australia)
I think DigiKEy and Mouser have Aussy sites where you would probably be able order the parts.
I would be extremely careful, since it failed for a reason and you were very lucky not to set the house on fire, which looks like it came pretty close to.
Thanks. Can you help identify what the components are? It would be interesting to at least have an idea what the failure mode was. It appears burnt but there was no smoke and no apparent smell until I opened the case days later
Any chance of identifying the burned-out part on the left? If not, I’d leave this to professionals (repair cafe, maybe). A throw blanket works at mains voltage, so errors might have serious consequences.
Apart from that, you don’t know what caused that burn, so that cause might still be around, and instantly burn down any repaired board again.
So my recommendation is: NO.
Thanks. It seems wasteful to throw it away but I’m working on my loss aversion 😉 and technically the blanket is still a blanket, just less warm
The thing seems to be not even two years old - maybe you can return it?
I’m pretty I bought it only a year ago, but I’m not 100% sure where and can’t find the receipt
If those components are the only issue then that should be reasonably easy to fix with a soldering iron. The yellow box is a film capacitor of some kind, you can most likely just find one that is rated for the same or higher voltage and the same capacitance (0.1uf). The part that burned is a power resistor like you said, the color bands on the part can tell you what resistor value it is, and i would guess it’s rated for 0.25W perhaps
There is something on the U1 chip, is that just some dirt or is it damaged as well?
Thanks, if that is the pad below the resistor I assume that component is also damaged and would likely replace it as well. I’ll do some searching and reading on the capacitor, is a U1 chip something generic or will it have markings to indicate specs?
A bit of context for you:
U1 is a reference for the PCB designer and assembler (if soldered by hand).
The information you need to find a replacement is the etched text on top of the IC (Integrated circuit, a.k.a “chip”).
If you’re able to read that, put the whole thing into Google or Octopart or your electronics component supplier of choice (Mouser, DigiKey, Farnell, etc). and you should find the IC you need.
ThePyroPython@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Jesus, this isn’t a slight against you OP but as an electronics engineer I feel I need to have a rant about the shoddy design here:
First of all, I have no idea what that component is dangling off the burnt-out through-hole resistor is or why it’s there.
Surely it can’t be a part of the temperature control loop, so I would guess it’s a thermal fuse to shut off the blanket if that resistor burns because it handles power to the heating element.
If so, what THE FUCK were the designers thinking?! Couldn’t afford even a small power resistor with a heatsink and a cheap thermocouple to a temp sense IC?!
Nah it’ll be ok, either it burns out the resistor and the customer is not injured or the customer’s house burns down. Either way no deaths, just complaints about our shitty build quality.
Second, they’re using WAY too much solder for these surface mounts components.
And third, why has R16 shifted from it’s pad? Bad soldering job from too much solder? Bad placement from the PNP machine? Or, god forbid, something gets hot enough to cause the solder under that resistor to start melting?
It’s genuinely shocking the amount of stuff that’s just being allowed to be sold these days.
If you can’t get the blanket repaired OP, please consider sending this to Big Clive as he’d have a field day with this.
incogtino@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Thanks, you’re my own personal Big Clive
I’ll take care, I definitely don’t want to burn the house down
pezhore@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Am I also seeing heat shrink tubing that hasn’t been heat shrunk?
lastunusedusername2@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It self-shrinks when the board catches fire