Clippy didn’t hallucinate. I think Clippy wins
Software is evolving backwards
Submitted 3 weeks ago by tonytins@pawb.social to technology@lemmy.world
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hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
sorghum@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
“Looks like you’re writing a letter”
No I’m not, fuck off Clippy.
Turns out we just hadn’t coined the term for computer intelligence being wrong as hallucinating yet.
hddsx@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
You know what, I think I remember that. You’re right. My bad
gesshoku@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
“Looks like you’re trying to be productive. Let me correct that for you”
Rooty@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s simple - if your product or platform uses dark patterns, I will not use it. I will even use an inferior platform or product in order to be free to choose how I use my software.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I will, if I have no other option. Say, finding a working VPN service in Russia … sucks (mostly banned). I think I’ll end up with a VDS and an https tunnel.
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
What do you mean by dark patterns?
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Design that is in the interest of someone other than the user, intended to coerce or trick the user into behaviors that benefit that non-user at the user’s expense.
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s not evolving backwards. It’s being carefully crafted to turn into exactly what corporations wanted from the beginning but couldn’t do due to technical and legal limitations.
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Add societal limitations as well. We used to relegate software to the dustbin when it sucked in the early days. Nowadays, people seem mostly fine being practically forced to use ever shittier products and services.
zaphod@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
It’s also devolving, having less features, being slower/less optimised and so on. Cramming “AI” into it isn’t devolving, it’s enshitification
squaresinger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You are mistaking the direction of evolution. Software started out with as much freedom as the hardware could afford.
In the 80s you ran your program in real mode (or whatever the equivalent mode was on your hardware). No kernel, no OS, nothing in the way. The software ran on bare metal with the ability to do literally anything the computer could.
In the 90s and early 2000s, safety features were introduced, but customizability was still king. Remember how you could accidentally remove some toolbar from Eclipse and never find the way to get it back? That kind of UI was considered normal back then.
You had stuff like the BlackBox system that allowed the user to customize the UI like a developer. The user could not only move buttons and other UI elements wherever they wanted, but they could also create their own and use scripting to make them do whatever they wanted.
Then came the iPhone and Windows 8, and from then on the target became simplification. The downside of the customizability of yesteryear was that things could get complicated and that most users didn’t use or even want these systems. Getting back to the Eclipse example, it was incredibly common back then, that people accidentally closed part of the UI and never found a way to get it back. So that’s when the minimalisation and “less is more” mentality came in. They moved everything that wasn’t used all the time into submenus and to a certain extent, it kinda worked.
But of course, with MBAs being MBAs, stuff like adding AI buttons to force people to use the next big monetizable thing became more and more prevalent.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That sounds like devolving to me.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
So is my edc to match it lmao.
Phones are locking down and getting harder to get rom and root support and a lot of projects are either giving up or dying.
Welp! Back to the laptop I go! Been carrying it with me everywhere just like I did before I got a smartphone. The only duties my phone needs to do is make calls, answer SMS and RCS and tether.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Could’ve said a version of this about every multi-function pocketable device ever made, but they’re still fun
renamon_silver@lemmy.wtf 2 weeks ago
“Maybe if we manipulate people enough, it will make us money”
catloaf@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
Exemplified by this being a rant in a video with sponsorships tacked on the description and comments. Probably in the video too, but obviously I’m not going to watch it.
atlien51@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Maybe we’ve been pushing way too hard, way too fast into the age of technology being integrated into our every waking moment, bros.
I’m ready to go back to like an iPhone 5 level of technology and Windows 7. Just wish it was realistic.
Potatar@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
24/7 connectivity was a mistake. I miss that brief window when we had cheap supercomputers in our pockets, but data was still expensive.
atlien51@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
I don’t want internet to be expensive but like…I wish we’d go back to dumb phones and computers maybe. Kinda like an early 2000s vibe.
Cause if you look at 2025 vs 2000 or even 2005, we’re honestly insanely different in terms of technology in such a short span. Just feels like too much too fast imo. Like maybe we DON’T need technology incorporated into every aspect of our lives.
The scariest thing is - we’re from a generation where we remember a life before this. Gen Alpha and whatever comes after will only ever know an internet connected life. How do you explain this to someone like that?
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
what did they do to ma boi Clippy
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oh wow this is truly disgusting
aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s clear to me from the very start of this video that Microsoft is incentivizing people to stuff this shit into their product any way they can. I also assume that they’re tracking basically everything you do in their software using analytics of some kind, and people accidentally clicking those stupid icons counts as copilot usage to the other suits.
RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The word you’re looking for is “devolving”.
tresspass@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I prefer “enshitification”
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Evolving backwards would be returning to ergonomic UIs with clear HIG being followed, having a scriptable variant for every class of applications, and any piece of software, OS UI included, not acting as an advert. Contrasts and colors and bright pictures are not what I need to see while working. It’s as if your screwdriver was built in the form of an alien fish dildo, and had a chain of ringing bells. Why is this bullshit considered normal and usual with computer interfaces, I dunno.
And a company’s website is its interface to the world, for the user. Not its advert. They’ve already seen the advert or don’t need it if they are on that website! They want to actually use it.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That sounds intriguing.
Pirate@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
I think you’ll find that, sadly, nobody is worse for HIG than software engineers, especially Linux aficionados.
They like their design as unpalatable and shit-lookalike as possible.
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
the irony is that title was probably AI generated.
tonytins@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
He admitted that he had to use AI a little bit after a somewhat broken finger.
phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
That would make sense if evolution had a direction. But evolution can favor less complexity just as well as more: it depends on the selective pressures it’s under. “Fittest” is not necessarily “best.”
This applies metaphorically to marketed products as well as literally to biologiccal systems. It’s not inevitable that the marketplace will deliver progress. You might never get that invisible handjob.
deaf_fish@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
No devolving makes sense. The natural pressures are causing the user interface to be worse.
JustARaccoon@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a reference to “it is evolving, just backwards”