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This fall, The Marvels take flight.Carol Danvers aka Captain Marvel has reclaimed her identity from the tyrannical Kree and taken revenge on the Supreme Inte...
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I really tried on the Ms. Marvel series but it was not for me and I knew it by the second episode, and Captain Marvel was one of the most formulaic, underbaked films of that Phase. Maybe it is just because Guardians being done means whatever strong investments I once had in the MCU are fading away because it’s all just too much of the same, but really nothing that screams out to me that this will be enjoyable though I will ultimately see it (a couple friends and I see every MCU movie despite most of us being super burnt out)
I thought Ms. Marvel was one of the better things that they've done post-Endgame. I liked the Spider-man "neighborhood superhero" vibes in the first half, I liked the themes of a child of daspora reconnecting with their heritage but still needing to recontextualize it, and Iman Vellani is a god-damn treasure when, as here, she's properly cast. The "hard-light" powers and visuals were a decent enough riff on the "embiggening" power from the comics without asking the audience to accept Stretch Armstrong as a major superhero (Good luck, Mr. Fantastic).
Still had underbaked villains, needless save-the-universe brinksmanship, and some of the flair from the first couple of episodes eroded into Marvel formulas, but overall I enjoyed it.
Same here here. I loved the Ms Marvel series and didn’t hate the Captain Marvel film.
I really loved all of the MCU content and was extremely satisfied when Thanos was defeated. Since then, I have enjoyed watching the movies that tie up the loose ends from Endgame; I.E. Loki, GOTG 2, and the Spidermans. Everything other than that has made me feel like Marvel is struggling for air.
I don't care for the heroes they are making shows and movies about. There's none of that gritty, high stakes feel or compelling character development.
Formulating the shows to 6 episodes really ruined it.
The Cap Marvel film felt like a phase 1 film, like if Thor didn’t have Loki. Yeah, they laid the groundwork and all, but other than Iron Man 1 and maybe Cap America they were pretty eh.
Same
How many TV shows have I got to watch for this to make sense this time?
No serious answer: All of it. Including both Hulks.
Serious answer: Ms Marvel is probably all you need. The characters are not too deep and if you hate Ms Marvel you probably wont like this.
The trailer explains pretty much the whole premise right there. Each of them has powers (who cares where they came from?), and they’re all entangled so they swap places when they use them.
If you want deeper backstory, the upside is that the two shows that contain it are among the best shows Marvel has done so far.
Seems like it will be a fun one to take the kids to. I wonder what will happen if Kamala gets her hands on the bracelet the Big Bad has. She has its twin on.
Oh good, the official trailer.
I was upset with the non-official trailer Marvel out out before that told me the whole plot of the movie. Glad I have this one to correct that.
Seriously I hate the “teaser” trailers. Just call it trailer 1 you jackasses.
I remember when trailers had the entire movie in them, Air Force One comes to mind.
I actually really enjoyed Ms. Marvel. I’m a SA first gen from Queens and it was incredibly relatable and actually taught me a few things even I didn’t know about the partition. The actress is very charismatic and likable as well. The supporting cast complimented the show (the dad is MVP). My only real complaints are her powers just being very… boring lol. Hopefully they expand on that in the movie.
Her powers were supposed to be really different I was so bummed that they changed it to some weird light power thing and I guess it was neat that it was connected to her culture but personally I liked the alien origin more. I feel like there needs to be a balance between using a characters culture and using pop culture and I feel like they did too much. The comic books did it much better imo.
I absolutely love the actress who plays her though she’s great and her energy and enthusiasm is infectious.
With Guardians 3, I've now gotten everything I wanted from the MCU. If they manage to get things back on track I'd be game to catch up but my hopes aren't high. While flashy, there's nothing here that doesn't look like the same old MCU.
As a big fan of the Marvel Cosmic comics, I am really sad we didn’t get to see Nova Prime - though Fillion being in Guardians 3 was supposedly a nod to that
Look y’all, I’m just here to be entertained. On that level I haven’t been disappointed by a Marvel movie yet.
You want something deeper? Maybe comic book movies aren’t for you anymore, and that’s okay.
Look y’all, I’m just here to be entertained. On that level I haven’t been disappointed by a MyLittlePony movie yet.
You want something deeper? Maybe philosophical, highbrow movies about ponies aren’t for you.
That’s the spirit! Like what you like.
Is wanting something deeper whilst also wanting to be entertained not a thing?
The engagement aspect looks like a clever plot device, but I don’t know how they are going to get the audience to care about Captain Marvel. The first movie really undercut our ability to care about this character. She was just a Mary Sue for the entire movie. We never see her struggle or grow. She’s always just perfect at everything. It keeps her character unrelatable.
Anything related to Capt. Marvel I’m having a hard time caring about. Secret Invasion has been a giant flop for me and I particularly think how the Skrulls were brought into the MCU via Capt. Marvel was just kind of dumb and it’s creating this weird jarring effect where we’re supposed to be sympathetic towards them, but they’re the bad guys and it’s just creating this mismatch where I feel nothing towards any of it. I get having sympathetic bad guys, but the way it was handled all felt very clumsy and rushed. Just terrible writing on top of everything.
If anything, the Skrull threat should’ve been unresolved in Capt. Marvel (not make them suddenly our friends), like that movie should have been the set-up for Secret Invasion and they should have been seeding stuff here and there for it throughout Phase 4, letting things come to a head in Secret Invasion. Obviously that still would’ve been weird, given that it took place in-between Infinity War and Endgame, but that was always going to be the case unless they had tied the movie in more with the Infinity saga (apart from her just getting her powers from an infinity stone or whatever happened).
I had avoided Ms. Marvel because I just don’t care about the character, though I’ll probably binge it in the next week before I cancel my D+ subscription after Secret Invasion ends, just to say I’ve watched it. Hopefully going in with low expectations will somehow make it better.
I’ve honestly been enjoying Secret Invasion so far. The plot has some issues, but not enough to pull me out of the enjoyment. I’d call it probably my third or fourth favorite Marvel D+ show so far.
She seems more likeable here, but I doubt she'll be the main character.
I wasn’t excited for this movie until now. I hope the body swapping shenanigans are for the whole movie and not just like 10 minutes, because crazy teleporting action scenes is where it’s at.
I've heard it's been through two rounds of test screenings that both went really well, which is why I have some hope. The versions played in the test screenings aren't the final version though...
I just watched the Jujutsu fight where two characters swap their bodies while clapping, I’m in for more tag teams like this!
I feel the opposite, heh. I feel like it’s a fun gimmick that’ll make things too disjointed and hard to follow. But i bet it’ll last until the end of the second act, or middle of the third, and they’ll get their powers back just in time to fuck up the big bad.
Looks looks a fun popcorn movie. Still haven’t watched the Ms Marvel series, though. Wonder if the backstory will be that important.
The worst part about that trailer, in my opinion, was the massacre of the Beastie Boys for that crappy remix. (Side note: didn’t MCA forbid use of Beastie Boys music in ads in his will when he passed?)
The Ms Marvel show was a fun watch, but like all things Marvel its all played very safe. If you have time to kill, you could do worse.
Just an avoid for me. Marvel and DC were fun and entertaining when they first came on the film scene, but now they’re just movie mills rehashing the same old slop. Box office performance indicates I’m not the only one who feels that way. But nothing against people who like their stuff, I’m just done with it, like listening to the same old song too many times.
I don’t think the rehashing is the problem, but the world building. When MCU started out it was just a bunch of dudes who can punch a little stronger than the average guy or wore a special suit. Nowadays the MCU is three layers deep into multiverse, quantum realms and time travel magic and has heroes that can reshape reality. It’s very hard to care about anything when literally anything can happen and nothing follows even remotely consistent rules. Even within the same series they f’ things up beyond believe. Remember when quantum realm was this spooky thing of indeterminism? Nowadays it’s full of regular people, cities and looks no different than any other alien planet.
When the MCU stays more grounded it is still watchable, e.g. No Way Home had plenty of good or even great moments, but if you try to figure out how the multiverse logic of that movie works or how to reconcile it with everything that came after, it’s a complete unfixable mess. Also doesn’t help that they can’t follow their own setups (Thor joins the Guardians… for 5mins).
I’m excited to see Kamala again because while it wasn’t really my demographic the Ms. Marvel show was pretty good. But I’m still underwhelmed by Brie Larson as Captain Marvel.
It looks like the villain is Dar-Ben which is kinda a second-rate Ronan by my understanding.
Just from the preview I have no inclination that anything is really at stake. Three super powered heroes, one of which has a reputation throughout the galaxy. What’s at stake? There’s a throwaway line about destroying worlds but that’s not really stakes when the viewer knows there won’t be any “Snap/Blip” event because that kinda of thing they’d save for a Avengers movie.
So happy to see Marvel is marketing on Lemmy instead of Reddit now!!!
We are actually growing!
They’ve lost their appeal to me. I think the last Marvel movie I saw was The Eternals which I actually liked but I haven’t seen the new ant man or guardians movie. I also like the She-Hulk show. For some reason I feel like I relate to Jennifer Walters more than I should.
Hard pass.
The trailer explains pretty much the whole premise right there. Each of them has powers (who cares where they came from?), and they’re all entangled so they swap places when they use them.
If you want deeper backstory, the upside is that the two shows that contain it are among the best shows Marvel has done so far.
Beastie boys not at all a good fit for the soundtrack here, but maybe that’s just me.
I don't think it was bad but it was super redundant to use it for the second trailer as well as the first. Part of me wishes that they went for an entire different tone for the second trailer
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li10@feddit.uk 1 year ago
I haven’t watched a Marvel movie in ages.
I was excited for what they were going to do after Endgame as I really thought they were going to take things to another level, but ultimately each one feels like the same movie to me at this point.
They suffer from the same issue that every movie/show faces; needing mass appeal, following the same formula, and being afraid to have anything definitive happen.
The last bothers me the most. If I’m watching a show and a character dies, I barely react at this point; I just wonder how long until they’re back.
tDSpPd2C9MrT8n@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I’ve missed the TV shows and a bunch of the movies after endgame, at a certain point I was too far behind and couldn’t be bothered going through them all to get all the interconnected lore so just stopped watching all new content, it’s just too much effort to even try to care about it at this point.
TrismegistusMx@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I would encourage you to watch the spider-verse movies, Loki, and “What If?” simply because they’re quite novel and entertaining. They break the mold.
InvaderDJ@lemmy.world 1 year ago
I just don’t see a way to top the build up and ending to Endgame. A decade of movies with great actors, fun action all leading up to the huge gut punch of Infinity War and the absolute spectacle of Endgame.
After you reach that high, building up again from step one is extremely difficult. And the movies just aren’t of the same quality. Besides a few good movies like No Way Home and Black Panther 2 and a few shows with strong starts or premises like Wandavision and Loki, they’ve all been very mid.
Whirlybird@aussie.zone 1 year ago
Yeh the multiverse completely ruined the marvel cinematic universe. I get why they did it, but I think it was a terrible decision. It’s not really a coincidence that almost every movie since they introduced it has flopped.
As you said, it just takes away any and all shock and drama. Oh spider man got turned to dust and died? Strange because we know he has a solo movie set after endgame coming out a few months after it, so I guess he isn’t dead.
Not to mention that the movies are all now just basically filmed entirely on a green screen, while having worse and worse CGI.
Katana314@lemmy.world 1 year ago
The overuse of death tropes was exactly why I left.
Infinity War >!hit me with a double whammy. It pulled the curtain to show that it was actually part one of a two parter. Also, it pulled the “death is reversible” card - both the death and the immediate promise of reversal - on half the galaxy’s population.!<
I feel like even if a comic got away with such things, it’s almost better to ask if the movies are a time to revisit those tropes.
Enigma@sh.itjust.works 1 year ago
They did kill off Iron Man, Captain America, and Black Widow though. Also, wasn’t it known beforehand that it was a 2 parter?
Notnotmike@beehaw.org 1 year ago
I’m not a comic book reader, but from what I’ve heard the characters never dying permanently is a common theme, so at least there’s a precedent
Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 year ago
It’s a common sci fi / fantasy trope, which a lot of these stories are. When you have beloved characters, and they’re in a world of magic and advanced technology, it’s really tempting to use the magic and technology to bring the beloved characters back.
Example - Star Trek. Spock, Kirk, Data, Picard, etc. They’ve all be resurrected at some point.