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If no government shall bare arms against its own citizens. Then what is happening in LA?

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Submitted ⁨⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Patnou@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨nostupidquestions@lemmy.world⁩

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  • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    no government shall bare arms against its own citizens

    Is this some kind of quote? Because 90% of what all governments do is exactly that: using weapons against their own citizens.

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    • lennee@lemm.ee ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      thats like literally what the executive does

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    • bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yeah. In Germany it’s called the “violence monopoly”.

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    • passepartout@feddit.org ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think you are mixing this up with the function of the executive goverment in a state with alleged separation of powers (one of the fundamentals of democracy).

      A president himself sending out forces is in fact not normal.

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      • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Especially when both that city’s mayor and state governor explicitly do not want those troops there.

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    • reksas@sopuli.xyz ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      citizens are the government though. if they are not, its not democratic country.

      Still, there should be no need to even threaten citizens with violence and if there is, it should be resolved mutually instead of just oppressing the people into submission.

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      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        citizens are the government though.

        Did you mean that people in government are citizens? Because I’m a citizen of my country and not in the government.

        if they are not, its not democratic country

        Correct. The United States is not a democracy. It’s barely even a “representative democracy”.

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  • SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Fascism.

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  • edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Police officers are part of the government, they bear arms against citizens literally every day. The premise is entirely flawed.

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Is it, or are you accepting a state of being that you should not?

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  • corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    bare arms

    Dude.

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  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What’s happening is that the other two branches of our government have (mostly) abdicated to the Executive branch; therefore, absent the lower courts who can’t act in real-time for the most part, Donald has carte blanche to do whatever he wants without any meaningful accountability.

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    • bassomitron@lemmy.world ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Not to mention that both the SCOTUS and other courts have ordered this administration to cease deporting people without due process, which they’ve unsurprisingly have gone on to ignore.

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      • Disaster@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        There has been no blanket ban, however many individual cases are being reverse and TRO’s are flying in full swing. I’d suggest following this immigration attorney for a (very depressing) play-by-play including links to the filings.

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    • FreakinSteve@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is the perfect time to army up and storm Fox News. Salem Media Group, OAN, the Heritage Foundation, and every other Nazi organization in the US.

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  • throwawayacc0430@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Posse Comitatus only applies to those wearing military uniforms. Dress them up with police uniforms and suddenly it’s “a okay”… 🤷‍♂️

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  • RealSpiderLane@lemmy.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    A, uh, government bearing arms against its citizens….why you ask…?

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  • dhork@lemmy.world ⁨20⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Larry the cable guy

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  • civilcoder@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    they aren‘t shooting a ratm music video

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  • Patnou@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I mean correct me if I am wrong sending in the National Guard/ Military and using force against civis breaking the constitution? I thought that was the whole point of the second amendment. Not taken to the extreme people do. But lets say the national guard open fire on civilizans protect people who have green guards or whatever would not a constitutional lawyer have a field day going after the government?

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    • lividweasel@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You may be misremembering the 2nd amendment:

      A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

      It doesn’t say anything about the government being prohibited from using force against citizens. It’s about citizens being able to have firearms (arguably, with the caveat that they’re part of a militia, but that’s a whole other discussion).

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      • grue@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        (arguably, with the caveat that they’re part of a militia, but that’s a whole other discussion).

        Arguably, it’s the same discussion. Theoretically, the National Guard is the [organized] militia, and the fact that it’s fighting against the people instead of defending them just goes to show how perverted it’s become from its original purpose.

        By the way, I say “[organized]” because the “unorganized militia” is defined as “all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States”

        (Yes, you read that right: even the ‘dreamers’ and asylum-seekers the thugs are trying to deport count as militia as long as they’ve declared that they want to become citizens. Also, yes, the definition is sexist and really ought to be updated to be gender-neutral.)

        Also by the way, the National Guard/militia is supposed to be under the control of the state governor, not the President. So that’s another way this is fucked up: I would argue that Trump is violating the 2nd Amendment, on to of everything else, by usurping the militia.

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    • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Fascists do not respect human rights or constitutions.

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    • adhocfungus@midwest.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You definitely seem to have the second amendment backwards, as others have mentioned.

      Additionally, the US government has turned the military on its own protesters several times. The Kent State massacre, The Battle of Blair Mountain, and the 1967 Detroit riots are all instances where they murdered civilians and faced no consequences. It’s completely legal and, in all three of those cases, was happily endorsed by much of the populace.

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    • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      State govts can mobilize their national guard. The guard is the only military component that can be “deployed” on American soil for combat or civil support like riot control or disaster relief

      Active duty and reserve bases exist in the US of course but are generally forbidden from being used for combat operations or enforcing domestic policies on US soil. It’s called Posse Comitatus

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    • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I mean correct me if I am wrong sending in the National Guard/ Military and using force against civis breaking the constitution?

      Depends on what the NG does.

      They can be used as ‘protection’ which would mean a defensive role in the case of civilians engaging in violence. I think the Insurrection Act has to be invoked in order for NG troops to go on the offensive, but I only know what I’ve read online and am no expert.

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  • spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Hidden arms

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