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Microsoft’s Recall feature is still threat to privacy despite recent tweaks

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Submitted ⁨⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Pro@programming.dev⁩ to ⁨technology@lemmy.world⁩

https://adguard.com/en/blog/microsoft-recall-privacy-threat-adguard.html

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  • absquatulate@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Of course it is. It’s invasive by design. The “recent tweaks” were because of backlash, but now that’s died down

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  • PirateFrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The worst thing about is, even if you switch h to Linux for privacy yourself, you’ll also need your friends to switch as well, otherwise if you message them on their desktop, they’re a liability, as the damn recall will be there too, leaking your data.

    It’ll be hell for activists.

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    • Blemgo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Funnily enough, Signal gas circumvented the issue by marking their chat window as DRM content, making it invisible to Recall.

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      • milicent_bystandr@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Lol

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      • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They used the invasion of privacy to destroy the invasion of privacy?

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They didn’t circumvent the issue - they did what Microsoft tell developers to do in regards to their programs and recall lol.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The same has been true of email for years, but less bad. Activists will need to be even more careful in who they trust.

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      • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        In what sense?

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  • NaibofTabr@infosec.pub ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Um, the core feature is privacy invasion. It does what it says on the tin.

    It’s fine if some people want that functionality, as long as it’s not enabled by default.

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      One could argue that it’s a feature that could be done on-client without sending to a server. Or with its server component doing nothing more than syncing with E2E encryption.

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      • russjr08@bitforged.space ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I have zero interest in Recall, but I thought it was already done on-device? IIRC it always was that way, which is why it’s only available on new computers containing dedicated “neural coprocessors” I believe was the term.

        Now given that it’s closed source, you have to trust that they aren’t silently sending data back to themselves - which is where my problem lies, I don’t trust them in the slightest.

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Recall is done on-client.

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  • plumbercraic@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Image

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    • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes.

      Worth it.

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    • AlurikSolum@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Honestly it’s what drove me over the edge. I’m on endeavorOS and it has been great honestly. Would recommend 👍🏻

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  • Draegur@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Part of why i knew so-called “digital rights management” was fucking bullshit was because very little software ever came out that empowered me to manage MY OWN rights in the digital space.

    I need there to be FOSS applications that allow me to root-level BLOCK applications from perceiving what I’m doing, to just fucking SANDBOX ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING BY DEFAULT and let me whitelist what specific things are allowed to directly access the hardware.

    Sadly I am not as tech savvy as I used to think I was. I might’ve been technologically clever twenty years ago but I hadn’t managed to keep up… I think what I’ve described might be referred to as a “hypervisor”? And I’m told it’s an overbearing, clumsy, heavy-handed overkill measure that would be difficult to implement and make everything a pain in the ass to do. So … shit, man, I dunno… i’m just tried of my hardware being bossed around by people I didn’t authorize.

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    • dust_accelerator@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Qubes OS ?

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    • Quazatron@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Maybe it’s time you invested some time in finding alternatives that let you stay in control of said hardware. I know time is in short supply for all of us, so consider your priorities.

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    • RobotZap10000@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Programs ran through Flatpak can only access permissions and directories that it has explicit permission for. This is perfect for a very small program that only does one thing, it can get rather awkward when you need it to access multiple storage volumes. For example, I wanted to have my Steam games stored on different hard drives, but they were never visible through Steam. I had to override the Flatpak permission to give access to my mounted disks for it to work.

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      • Draegur@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The fact that we can choose to enhance the permissions beyond their default scope on a case by case basis is powerful.

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    • lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A “hypervisor” is more applicable to servers than anything else, but I agree with you on everything else. That first sentence, man… Big companies get DRM for things they produce, so where’s my DRM, y’know?

      Fucking maddening.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Write your own OS and software then. Your hardware is running someone else’s software otherwise, so no you don’t get to control every aspect of what it does.

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  • Angular2575@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What I don’t understand, is what I would need and use it for? Never in my life I thought “damn if only I had a screen recording of everything I did 1 week, 1 month or 1 year ago”. Like I don’t get the use case, ignoring anything else. There is no use case.

    I can view my terminal history and my recently accessed files. I have version control with git where I want and need it.

    There is no use case.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So you’ve never wanted to find an article/headline that you vaguely remember seeing? Or a product that you looked at? Or a picture that you looked at?

      There absolutely is a use case for full reachability of everything you’ve done on your computer. Git commits and terminal history and “recent” files list don’t even come close to providing the same thing lol

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      • Ydna@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s true that there’s some usefulness in recollection, but geez I find myself digging through my browser history and being absolutely lost… whether it’s an article, video, online store product, anything. Then I usually just re-search for whatever it was from scratch 🤷‍♂️

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  • JigglySackles@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve disabled windows update completely so I can pick and manually dl updates. Never going to put that recall shit on my pc.

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    • AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      How’d you do that? I’ve made registry tweaks, group policy tweaks, etc and my windows machine still eventually hits a limit where it forces updates around the 12 week mark. Granted it’s still longer than before, it isn’t completely disabled.

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      • Spaniard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        At that point it’s easier to install Linux.

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      • ohshit604@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        around the 12 week mark.

        Not all computers need to tell time, just uninstall clock.exe.

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      • JigglySackles@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It was a combination of things between policies and taking over folder and file permissions. I can look up the specifics I used if you are looking to replicate it. It’s a bitch to undo unless you write down everything you change.

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    • PushButton@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve disabled Windows completely so I can be safe and sound. Never going to put that shit on my PC.

      – sorry, it seemed funnier in my head.

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  • illorenz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Another great reason to switch to Linux. Fuck this shit

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is just a thinly veiled ad for AdGuard.

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    • xavier666@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If only we could have a response from an independent security researcher instead of a product, that would be great.

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  • joel_feila@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    For windows users

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  • tarknassus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    To the surprise of nobody… 😆

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  • Valmond@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    No shit.

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