Submitted 1 day ago by CaptainsLog@lemmings.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
I, thankfully, don’t live in the U.S. but it makes me wonder as a trans man, would MAGA think I was just a lesbian or would he recognize my relationship as straight somehow ?
MAGA can hold multiple conflicting viewpoints at once. There is no logic to them, they will just go with whatever is useful for causing harm. MAGA is made up of the losers who bullied everyone in middle school and never grew up.
MAGA only recognize your biological birth sex marrying the opposite.
It is weird how people will try to jump through hoops to be accepting by these fucking Nazi ghouls.
“GAYS FOR TRUMP!!”
Jesus fucking christ
The MAGA types I know would probably consider you a lesbian playing dress up.
That makes sense. How sick of MAGA to be this dehumanizing. Why do they think America will be great from this?
If you have the same sex as your partner, then it’s a same sex relationship. If you have the same gender as your partner, it’s a same gender relationship. Possibly it’s both or neither.
Alright, I’m curious - why do you care what some crazy backwards rednecks in another country think about you?
I think MAGA thinks you’re not part of the human species to begin with.
Agreed
Everyone is going on about how maga is inherently anti trans but the situation is more nuanced
If you’re terminally online then yes, maga is 100% anti trans all the time but irl that is not always the case
I provide gender affirming care and work with families where someone is trans and their families are MAGA people, respect pronouns and names, give rides home from surgery, call partners boyfriend/girlfriend as appropriate, and will even at times get mad at others for not respecting their child’s identity
This is not a super common thing, to be clear, but it’s also not shockingly rare. Maybe 20-25% of my clients? It also gets into the whole “humanizing” factor. These people are so insulated from minority groups thanks to continued segregation that they can easily demonize them but lgbt minorities can pop up in their families much easier. That’s why they fucking hate acceptance movements; you can’t white flight from your queer kid but you can bully them into a loveless marriage that ends in divorce or suicide. But when they finally do integrate they generally recognize that while there are aspects of a culture they still despise the people within it are still just people, especially if those people are the people they’ve known and loved their whole life
It’s cognitive dissonance at its finest though and creates tons of friction. Client is obviously very upset that family is voting to end their rights and family usually does mental gymnastics to not see it that way. Also majority of instances, overwhelmingly so, are trans men. This is all based on my anecdote so take it with a grain of salt but imo trans women are most often used for propaganda and portrayed as monsters so trans men sometimes fly under the radar via erasure. though to be absolutely clear key word is sometimes, trans men absolutely get a ton of shit flung at them too. This probably plays into the fact that trans women outnumber trans men by a significant margin and more importantly/likely systems of misogyny, people hate women.
That said I would generally assume the worst, especially if you encounter a group of Trump people, or if you are in a place where you are doing discourse online
Interesting ! Maybe I’ll meet some good MAGA 😊
Well they’re not good, they’re still enabling the government to remove your rights and the rights of others plus they tend to have a lot of other hot takes and behavior that are objectively shitty.
Speaking broadly they seem to be people that are bigoted and reassess their bigotry when it becomes humanized. They only changed this opinion because it impacts someone they care about directly, basically. In some cases they still hold the shitty opinion and view their loved one as the exception (the “real trans” vs “fake trans” thing)
The other piece that can be a real mindfuck is that they can often go to a “we just don’t talk about it” thing, where they do silently think the absolute worst of you but at least aren’t assholes about it. This is at least not detrimental to you directly but can lead to ugly behavior and systemic oppression
Approach with caution, basically, and don’t be shocked if someone who initially seems very sweet and courteous says some utterly disgusting shit if the conversation turns ugly if you bring up “sensitive topics”
I’m currently reading Jesus and John Wayne by Kristin Kobes Du Mez. You might find it interesting. I’m not sure how much I buy in, but it’s pretty wild.
So, in iran you would be acceptable, this is a real thing there, because trans people are covered by state healthcare but homosexuality has a death penalty. The bigotry is about religious contrivance, so there is fiddling and rules lawyeringvyo be done.
But they’re islamic fundamentalists. The american regime are libidinal troll fascists raised on 4chan who don’t believe in anything, so if you don’t beat her and keep her pregnant, you’re headed to the camps.
they don’t care about your relationship ; they hate you as a person.
similarly the american left, hates you if persive a difference between biological men and biological women.
It’s just one of the giant messes in the country.
still better tgan a lot if other countries tho ; Afghanistan, Russia, N. Korea, Myanmar, Congo, the list goes on.
That is fair
Referring to you as a lesbian would play into the idea that you’re a woman, so they’d say you’re straight.
But then they’d have to acknowledge that he is indeed a man. Trans masc means that he is born as a woman and transitioned to be a man.
You’re right, I misread that. So then yes, lesbian is the term they’d use, signifying female.
It’s hard to say, I live in deep red Texas and I’m openly gay and have been for decades. The only times that I have experienced homophobia in this state has come from liberals when they learned that socialist and communist do not support their party. I’ve never had a Republican have any issue with me, my husband or our relationship.
toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They would consider you whichever one allows them to hurt you in the moment. It’s not an honest belief, they just want to be cruel to people.
gwilikers@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
I recall having a conversation with a transphobe and it coming down to me going, ‘I just don’t understand why you want to be cruel to trans people.’ He tried to brush it off but it was obvious that he was simply trying to dress up his bigotry with pseudointellectual bs.
That, and the tried and true, “I’m just concerned about women in women’s spaces. Post transition women commit the same number of crimes as men.”
Where did you read this? Can you show me what crimes they commit? Who did the study?
“Oh I can’t remember this now, can’t we have a debate about this.”
That’s when I realised that this was pointless. Because, for him, this was just a game. That the rights of trans people were something we could “intellectually” parse out. All while actual, real world people are being harassed, discriminated against and killed.
Fuck that shit. And fuck that guy.
eupraxia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
This was one of the more baffling experiences in coming out - seeing some of the most scientifically minded, media literate people I know suddenly shut off all of those instincts when they encountered “the trans debate.” Like someone with a healthy amount of skepticism around statistics linking me bullshit “average number of sexual partners” figures from a conversion therapy lobbying group. Or someone with an active dislike of sports suddenly deciding that the sanctity of women’s sports is more important than their relationship with their daughter.
The best explanation I’ve been able to come up with is that gender is regimented by complex trauma, often when we are children, and these are the types of cognitive distortions that occur when we’re in fight-flight-freeze-fawn responses. Flashbacks are often thought of as vivid sensory experiences i.e. re-experiencing the traumatic event, but it’s a spectrum of responses. Many are more subtle and feel extremely normal in the moment, while our ability to reason is actually overtaken by our need to feel safe in the face of a perceived threat.
I think this kind of statistics vomit can sometimes be a “flight” response to a perceived threat of someone being trans in proximity to them. Flight responses are characterized as attempting to avoid a threat by throwing oneself into action not to overcome, but escape the threat. Perhaps a wall of text with nuanced-and-reasoned set dressing and lots of links and numbers feels like a wall between them and “the problem.”
fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 hours ago
“Debate” is used as a foot in the door
CaptainsLog@lemmings.world 1 day ago
Eww, thanks