Submitted 3 weeks ago by simple@lemm.ee to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.techspot.com/news/108122-china-first-6nm-gpu-boots-up-targets-performance.html
WTF!? OK they had the 7nm process for more than a year now, but 6nm without EUV?
I’m not an expert, but it seems to me that when China cracks EUV, which they allegedly are getting close to, then SMIC will progress fast to even better processes.
China is making very good progress, especially considering they cannot use any western equipment. Everything has to be home grown!
Well there are claims that Huawei is aiming for 3nm with GAA with tape out next year See Here.
I think we shouldn’t forget that the nm numbers really are just that: Numbers. They don’t correspond to any specific measurements and can be chosen more or less arbitrarily. So 6nm for example might just be a slightly refined 7nm node.
Another thing is power efficiency and yields. If they get 4060 performance at terrible yields and with massive power draw then it is very different to getting there at similar parameters as Nvidia.
If China does end up cracking EUV by themselves it would indeed be massive. It’s arguably one of the most complex things mankind has ever done. But there are so many factors to get right that tbh I don’t see it happening any time soon.
Isn’t GAA one of the most advanced types?
If they can really do this next year, there is no doubt China must have their own EUV lights.
So 6nm for example might just be a slightly refined 7nm node.
Absolutely true but AFAIK SMIC usually make their numbers comparable to TSMC. Even Intel changed their numbering to follow TSMC, and SAMSUNG and TSMC have always been close in their numbering.
I think they’re also doing 5nm using DUV. Low yields but probably OK when you’re not on the hook to make chunks for nameless shareholders.
but 6nm without EUV?
I read elsewhere that 5nm was already done (in the lab, not on industrial levels), and they’re planning on 3nm by 2026.
The workaround seems to be to use particle accelerators instead of EUV machines. More expensive and with lower yield, but it’ll do the job.
Yes 5nm should be ready this year, and allegedly Huawei is planning a 3nm product to be produced by SMIC already next year!
That’s a very bold schedule, but maybe they expect to have something close to ASML EUV soon?
I’m looking forward to getting a low cost Chinese GPU; Lets see how much time it takes for these to become competitive with Nvidia or AMD.
I agree, if this could make good GPU’s more affordable, that would be great.
Don’t worry, they’ll be banned in the US or subjected to exorbitant tariffs.
I am lucky enough to NOT be from the US! 🎉
Ooh, more baseless claims of China’s technological advancement.
I’ll file this in the bullshit folder with the rest of their bullshit claims.
I wish their claims were true. There is not enough competition right now.
Just ordered a thousand dollars worth of GPU (a single unit lol). Would i have gotten a chinese GPU for half the price if they advertised similar performance ?
No.
Their previous GPU used an old AMD GPU design if I recall correctly. I wonder if they have in-house stuff now.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 weeks ago
Big…if true. This article is long on claims but utterly bereft of proof.
Zacryon@feddit.org 3 weeks ago
As usual with very much wow inventions from China.
Not to say that they don’t have clever people there doing cool stuff. It’s just my experience that such articles are often overselling something which does not live up to the claim
Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Even if the hardware does…drivers matter. I’m reminded of the Moore Threads MTT S80.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Huawei has sold a lot of phones last year based on “surprising advances” from SMIC. They have shipping AI chips that are benchmarked based on announcements that drew skepticism at the time. Not sure about this company’s product or how close it is to shipping.