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Minio strips away almost all features from OSS interface and suggests people use their paid "AIStor" service instead

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Submitted ⁨⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨qaz@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨selfhosted@lemmy.world⁩

https://github.com/minio/object-browser/pull/3509

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  • underline960@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    Well there’s your problem.

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    • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The AI advertising is just a symptom of the underlying issue; VC funding.

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      • Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The more I learn about AI the more I feel like it’s another dot-com bubble.

        LLMs and generative AI are such multifaceted systems that saying “this is for AI” is like saying “this is for the WWW”

        Databases, interfaces, storage, networking. All are used in AI but if you just say you make a database and not and “AI database” you’ll lose out on investors.

        It’s a bit like the gold rush in that everyone is so fixated on the gold that they don’t see the real economic boom is selling the shovels and building the trains.

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      • underline960@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There’s your other problem right there.

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      • tuckerm@feddit.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yeah, a few years ago they advertised themselves as the perfect storage solution for blockchain projects.

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      • phoenixz@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        VC?

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  • hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve completely switched away from using Minio (and just the S3 protocol in general) in all of my projects.

    I’ve found that the WebDAV protocol is better for object storage in almost every case. It’s also way simpler to use and understand.

    Now it’s time for me to shill:

    I wrote my own WebDAV server called Nephele. It’s free and open source, and you can run it on Docker. Probably doesn’t help if you’re using something that requires S3, but if you’re building something, I implore you to migrate away from S3.

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    • eutampieri@feddit.it ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why is WebDAV better?

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      • hperrin@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s simpler, there is a client for everything even mobile phones, it has a move command, it has props that can be edited without a copy command, pagination is however you set it up to be rather than a one size fits all approach, it can be just as scalable as S3 if you build it to be, it has much simpler locks that make them easier to use so you might actually use them.

        That’s just the protocol level. The biggest benefit for me isn’t really at the protocol level, but part of the design of my own WebDAV server: deduplication. I can throw the same file into my server with 50 different keys, and it will only take up the space of one copy on disk. This basically moved the logic of deduplication from my application to the blob store. Mountains easier from an application design perspective.

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    • MangoPenguin@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah WebDAV is significantly better for our use cases, S3 has so many weird limitations and it’s hard to find clients for it.

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  • just_another_person@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    New fork incoming in 3…2…

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    • Intempesta@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Here github.com/OpenMaxIO/openmaxio-object-browser

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  • tuckerm@feddit.online ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    When Redis messed with their licensing terms a while ago, I thought to myself, "which project that I rely on will be next?" And I kept thinking it was going to be Minio.

    So I switched from Minio to Garage a few months ago and it has worked great. I used the AWS cli to start copying everything over one evening, and when I get up the next day, it was done. My S3 use is just one giant bucket for my music collection in Funkwhale, so I only had the one command to run. After updating the S3 urls in Funkwhale's configuration, everything was good to go.

    This has all made me start paying closer to attention to what kind of organization is behind the various open source projects that I use. Garage is made by a web development shop in France -- they might even be a coop, or I might be thinking of someone else. I could be wrong about that last part. But they're definitely not a VC-backed operation like Minio.

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  • ClemaX@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    garagehq.deuxfleurs.fr

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I’ve never used it but I hear it is actually good but less well known

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  • foster@lemmy.hangdaan.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I updated my MinIO instance yesterday only to find that many features have been removed (such as SSO). Of course, this is a move to force users to pay for a license.

    I will wait it out to see of a fork happens so I can switch to that. If not, then I’ll switch to GarageHQ.

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  • prenatal_confusion@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Monetary needs and all that. If it’s a startup with VC then there is either enough people paying or not enough private users supporting by other means like bug fixing, support, etc. Or greed by VC. But in general, what do we expect where the time comes from people spend on coding for us? See openssl that is essential and was about to loose its main dev. Pay or donate or contribute. Preferably to a non VC project.

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    • splendoruranium@infosec.pub ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Monetary needs and all that. If it’s a startup with VC then there is either not enough people paying or not enough private users supporting by other means like bug fixing, support, etc. Or greed by VC.

      Well, VC is greedy by design. A VC-funded business will never be optimized for longevity, a good product or happy customers. They may achieve those things en passant, but they’re never the objective.

      For example: Any case of “there is not enough people paying” can also be rendered as “the scale and moving speed of the business is way off”.

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  • Dirk@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They not only force their user to buy their crap, they also intentionally and maliciously frame the AGPL in a certain way.

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  • mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Luckily I wasn’t even using the UI in the first place, still, not a good sign and probably something to look into.

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  • Cyberflunk@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Fucking cunts.

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  • lazynooblet@lazysoci.al ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    God damn it. I chose minio for my S3 implementation. I wonder if there is a migration path to garage…

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    • MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      mc mirror is a pretty straightforward method of migration. Should work if the other end is S3-compatible.

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