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Ten reasons to avoid Amazon | Ethical Consumer
Submitted 12 hours ago by juergen@feddit.org to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.ethicalconsumer.org/retailers/ten-reasons-avoid-amazon
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termaxima@jlai.lu 11 hours ago
I agree with the message, but these two points following each other feels a little hypocritical:
“Amazon is supporting new nuclear plants” and “Amazon has a poor climate record”
Nuclear power is the most effective way to get out of climate change. Caring about climate change and being against nuclear power at the same time is a contradictory position to take, and needlessly puritanical.
If we could only rely on renewables, that would be very nice. That is not currently the case. We should strive to have more renewable energy, while keeping in mind nuclear power is here to stay and even be expanded as we eliminate carbon emitting sources of energy.
juergen@feddit.org 10 hours ago
i disagree. nuclear power is expensive to build (usually exceeding the planned costs), is not resistant to high heat in summer (as shown by french summers), and a proper way of getting rid of nuclear waste is still not developed.
One Big Chart: how does the cost of nuclear power compare to renewables?
theguardian.com/…/nuclear-power-australia-liberal…
CSIRO confirms nuclear fantasy would cost twice as much as renewables …org.au/…/csiro-confirms-nuclear-fantasy-would-co…
Nuclear reactor in France shut down over drought Chooz Nuclear Plant on Belgian border turned off after dry summer evaporates water needed to cool reactors
witx@lemmy.sdf.org 9 hours ago
The good thing about science is that it doesn’t care if you disagree, it just works the way it does
clove@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Horrible take.
IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
They go so far over budget because of lawsuits, usually. Vogtle was announced in like 2011 and didn’t even get to break ground until 2017, then got caught up in even more lawsuits, if I recall correctly. And while conventional nuclear plants will probably always have huge upfront costs that take 30 years to offset, SMRs are darn close to a full reality and those will be a lot cheaper, and will get cheaper over time, like solar panels did.
There’s a plant in Phoenix Arizona that uses city wastewater to cool the reactors, so they can hold up to hot dry climates just fine if designed to do so. (Fun side fact, the plant has to clean the rad waste out of the water before they use it - the rad waste from medical procedures that get into wastewater would be enough to exceed their allowance of acceptable release).
I’ll give you the waste issue, but it’s 100% a matter of politics. You’re going to have to convince a state to take it on and none of them will. But on-site cask storage isn’t the worst option. It’s worked for a long time. There’s also a lot of research going into other stuff we might be able to do with it. (In fact, waste isn’t an issue in France because they already recycle it; the US doesn’t because some of the recycled materials could be used to build bombs).
By footprint (in terms of land and waste) nuclear is the best option still. It’s still the most stable output (save perhaps geothermal, but you can’t do that everywhere) One day we might have batteries good enough to make that less of an issue but right now it’s probably not a good idea to abandon nuclear.
turnip@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Nobody has ever died from nuclear waste.
Nuclear waste itself is a misnomer, there is no waste it’s just uneconomical to use at a certain point, it still has a ton of energy potential.
tonytins@pawb.social 9 hours ago
nuclear power is expensive to build
So? It pays for itself.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Imagine a capital juggernaut like Amazon invested in truly renewable energy instead of just trying to be power hungry assholes trying to race Google to the AI market.
The amount of technology that they could create simply from these investments could change the course of our planet. But, no. Line must go up next quarter. Not 2 years from now.
IamtheMorgz@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
The missing reason is that you should just buy less anyway and if you avoid Amazon it is slightly harder to just buy stuff.
That being said, if you need it cheap, quick, and you cannot source it locally, just buy it on Amazon. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. You are not guilty of a moral crime by using them when the need exists.
numlok@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Ugh, here’s a new wrinkle (at least to me), that literally showed up in my inbox as I was reading this post.
I’m actively trying to avoid Amazon, researched and found the site of a small company making the product I’m looking for, and then find out that Amazon is handling their shipping.
No mention of this anywhere on their site.
ImageBroken@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
This just happened to me. I purchased shoes and they shipped via Amazon even though I didn’t buy them there.
I think that’s part of what people don’t understand. Amazon isn’t a website that sells stuff, they are a dozen infrastructure based industries.
Shut down their website and they still have the logistics to fulfill for the sites you shop on and their servers are probably hosting them too.
Aphelion@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
I keep running into the same exact thing.
subunit317@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I feel like I found a new reason to avoid amazon every time I looked for a product not being sold under some random fake brand name. I cancelled prime over a year ago and started shopping elsewhere. It costs more, but the quality of just about anything is higher.
I avoid amazon for the same reason I avoid walmart: everything is a simulacrum of an actual product. Somehow, amazon is even worse than walmart.
So yeah, boycott amazon and shop at places selling actual products.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
And if you really want a simulacrum of a real product for whatever reason, Aliexpress exists and has the same crap available for a fraction of the cost, and doesn’t enrich Jeff Bezos.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
Well, 8 reasons anyway. Only one I needed is Amazon is a shit company that will try to squeeze money out of you anyway they can.
Geodad@lemm.ee 6 hours ago
I’ve got a $25 Amazon gift card sitting around that I don’t know what to do with. My mother-in-law gave it to me for Xmas, and I don’t shop on Amazon.
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com 5 hours ago
This situation is the only time I use Amazon. May as well burn it on something cause they already have the money
Geodad@lemm.ee 5 hours ago
I might try to sell it to a coworker for cash.
kandoh@reddthat.com 12 minutes ago
It’s a real shame, because amazon was able to deliver to some very remote communities in the north. It was the first time they really had access to shit that big cities had without having to fly down there and carry everything back.