Submitted 5 weeks ago by Wanderer@lemm.ee to energy@slrpnk.net
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cg52543v6rmo
“Norway is the world leader when it comes to the take up of electric cars, which last year accounted for nine out of 10 new vehicles sold in the country.”
How are they doing on developing public transportation infrastructure, though? That is going to be far more impactful longterm, and is the only way to build a sustainable transportation network.
When I went to Oslo I only took public transport.
I even used to to take the bus to the forest. I walked into the bush for hours then slept. Decided I couldn’t be bothered walking back. Checked my paper map and walked into a one road town/suburb and took the bus back. That’s how much faith I had that some random place would have a regular bus going to the city centre.
Trains in Nordic have been electric for a generation, starting from 60’s.
Busses have been electric in my knowledge about 10 years, I think most of them are ran by electric motor, which is charged with diesel if batteries run out.
Trams have been electric for last 100 years.
Can someone tell me how? EV’s perform terribly in extreme cold. If the car starts at all, the battery life absolutely tanks. We’ve had entire charging stations unable to function through the past couple weeks, as temperatures plummeted in many states.
We really need to be pushing for hydrogen cars. EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold, and the batteries explode or catch fire in extreme heat. That’s not the tech we should be investing in to carry us through the extreme temperatures we’re experiencing during climate catastrophe.
I think the only logical conclusion would be EV actually work better in the cold than what you have been told. Maybe that’s the same for charging stations or maybe Norway builds to a standard that fits their climate and doesn’t cut corners.
A charger that doesn’t work when EV’s need them the most is a terrible bussiness idea when people pay per kW/h !
It’s not just what I’ve been told. I’ve personally experienced the issues, as have thousands of others dealing with EV extreme cold problems the past couple of weeks in the eastern US.
scientificamerican.com/…/electric-vehicles-arent-…
If anyone has any further info, I’d love to find out what Norway could possibly be doing to address a fundamental issue with the technology.
EV’s simply can’t perform in extreme cold,
So what’s the secret sauce? What profound technological steps forward have they made?
Or are they just heating up the battery, and eating further into the already severely impacted battery life?
Well, one thing to keep in mind is that most people haven't been buying cars.
My car is starting to get older, and my plan right now is to continue maintaining it because compared to the cost of replacing it the cost of keeping it is so much lower. And I'm not doing that bad. Most households are doing a lot worse than I am, and so they're probably looking at the astronomical prices of vehicles post covid and making the completely reasonable decision not to get anything.
So it's easy for 90% of the vehicles sold to be electric because most of the vehicles being sold are luxury items for the rich rather than things that individuals need to live day to day.
Not surprising. Norway seems to be driving a lot of development away from excess energy use and oil. Not only in transportation, but also in real estate.
I know little of all projects there, but what I do know makes me want to go there and learn how to do better. When (not if) electric uptake nears 100%, like in Norway, things will start to happen in the market. Petrol stations, refineries etc. will see a very different demand, which will propel much needed change!
admins_r_trds@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
Norway got rich with petroleum products. Bunch of hypocrite.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
“Got rich”
The profits are going in a fund that is kept for later on, it doesn’t affect people’s current finances. The only idiots here are all the countries that didn’t nationalize their natural resources to do the same.
admins_r_trds@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
“A FunD THaT iS KepT FoR LatEr On” aka they invest it in the stock market, making the climate crisis worst. And they are still profiting off oil exploitation.
Fuck norway
BestBouclettes@jlai.lu 5 weeks ago
They didn’t get high on their own supply and got a massive national fund from it. A bit hypocritical but definitely nicely played. Better than most other countries who used that money for ego projects or imperialistic madness.
houseofleft@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
What are you thinking makes them hypocrites? Doesn’t seem like doing something bad for the planet, then improving things is hypocritcal unless they start claiming they’ve always been perfect. At any rate, veats doubling down on petroleum like the US are currently doing.
poVoq@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
They have not stopped exporting fossile fuels and to my knowledge at least they also don’t plan to do so in the near future.
Cannacheques@slrpnk.net 5 weeks ago
nah a lot of their stuff get subsidised by the EU too from what I’ve heard, I think the flip side of it is that they have long training and internship periods so almost everyone is in their 30s by the time they get anywhere. The irony is worrying about global warming when you live in a frozen hell.
admins_r_trds@lemmy.wtf 5 weeks ago
Wait so as an european living car free in a city I’m subsidizing the lifestyle of some rich fucks living in a fjord?
That’s it, i’m doing tax evasion.