Earth will not care. Life on earth may suffer, but Earth will not care.
In the US, is this actually the moment past the point of no return?
Submitted 4 months ago by Snapz@lemmy.world to nostupidquestions@lemmy.world
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Treczoks@lemmy.world 4 months ago
mvirts@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Every moment is a point of no return, unfortunately.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 4 months ago
Someone who has been president before, for four years, was elected president again.
I cannot think of anything less similar to a “point of no return”.
You may think of him or his policies what you want (I personally have a mostly negative opinion of him too!), but we have all had four years of opportunity to observe what he does when he is president.
If you are thinking that Trump is like Hitler, then please point me to anything similar to:
- a Capitol Fire Decree of 2017 that says several parts of the Bill of Rights are suspended until further notice
- an Enabling Act of 2017 that gives the president full power to make law including law that violates the constitution
- laws on the Coordination of the States with the Federation of 2017 or a Law on the Reconstruction of the Federation of 2018 giving the federal government full legislative and executive power over the states
- a Law Against the Formation of Parties of 2017 declaring that the Republican Party was the only political party in the US and anyone attempting to form another party would be imprisoned
- a Law on the Abolition of the Senate of 2018 doing exactly what the title implies
- a Law on Measures of State Self-Defense of 2018 retroactively legalizing dozens of extrajudicial killings of Trump’s political rivals
Oh, none of those things happened in the late 2010s? Then why exactly are you expecting them to happen in 2025 or 2026? What is different now?
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Thank you for the solid points. People are dooming way too hard, simply because their preferred candidate lost this round.
TheRealCharlesEames@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Nobody can predict the future. I am no longer optimistic.
over_clox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Why do we call it united?
Last I checked the math books, 50 is Divided.
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I always did find it amusing that they are called the United States when it seems like it’s constantly teetering on brink of another civil war.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 4 months ago
teetering on brink of another civil war
Shit has to get much, much, much worse before people are willing to take up arms against their own family member 'en mass. A civil war isn’t one in which you fight a far away enemy, a civil war is one in which many of your family members and friends are on the opposite side. We are nowhere near a civil war, not even close.
over_clox@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Heard that!
I’m a united individual of one, can’t help where I was born…
ultranaut@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Maybe. US history is full of crazy fucked up shit that the nation has made its way through thus far. This kind of situation hasn’t really happened in the US before though, and historically these kinds of situations do not work out well. We are past the point of no return in that the status quo Washington Consensus or whatever you want to call the previous era is gone now, whatever is coming is something new and different and the US role and position in the world are never going back to what they were before. Really I would say this process started with Bush II but there is no reversing it now that Trump has won a convincing electoral victory. Whether we’re past the point of no return for the US constitutional order isn’t really clear yet but it’s not looking good.
Snapz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Appreciate your measured response. I’m wondering how long it will take folks to stop coping out of self preservation and say out loud that this isn’t anything we’ve seen before - it’s brand new and can go as far as has been threatened.
steel_nomad@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Of what?
Lightsong@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It might be for some stuff. I’m worried that it’ll have a lasting impact on women inside the USA as well as outside. Inside, they’ll have their rights taken away over time. Outside, morale will be impacted. But I’m hoping it’ll cause an uprising rather than the other way around.
johannesvanderwhales@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I guess we’ll see.
dan1101@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Could be, but we have thought that before.
Snapz@lemmy.world 4 months ago
As others have stated, this is an entirely new depth to that thought.
NineMileTower@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I choose to believe that we are not. The true fight for our democracy by the working/middle class hasn’t even started yet. Some think it won’t. I choose to believe that good will again triumph and life is roller coaster of good and bad.
Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Will it start any time soon? It’s only going to get harder and harder to resist, from now on.
Curiousfur@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Yeah, people really don’t understand how powerful a surveillance state can be when it focuses it’s eye on you. It’s not safe to talk about resistance around basically anything internet connected with a microphone.
NineMileTower@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Let’s try this: magic-8ball.com
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 4 months ago
Seems like we’ll need to form our own political party if we want any representation because we’re certainly not getting it from either one of these two dominate parties.
NineMileTower@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Count me the fuck in. I’ll grab my pitchfork.