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smeg@feddit.uk â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
fossilesque@mander.xyz â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
[deleted]smeg@feddit.uk â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Nothing lab-specific about this though, itâs the case for every industry!
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
I guess human science?
4oreman@lemy.lol â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
This is very polite and surprisingly honest for him to say.
model_tar_gz@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
I took an interview like this before. I checked the vast majority of the boxes of technologies used, and experience in a specific type of processing models prior to deployment. Thought it was bagged and tagged mine. 4 rounds of interviews, two technical rounds and a system design.
Asked me some hyper-specific question about X and wanted a hyper-specific implementation of Z technology to solve the problem. The way I solved it would have worked, but it wasnât the X they were looking for.
Turns out the guy interviewing me at the second tech interview round was the manager of the guy he wanted in the roleâand the guy working for him already was the founder of the startup that commercialized X, and they just needed to check a box for corporate saying theyâd done their diligence looking for a relevant senior engineer.
That fucking company put me through the wringer for that bullshit. 4 rounds of interviews.
Never again.
sirblastalot@ttrpg.network â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Never do more than 3 interviews. And thatâs assuming theyâre relatively short, maybe 1 hour apiece. Any more than that, and they donât want you bad enough.
model_tar_gz@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
I donât know if I agree with that. Having been on the hiring side of the table more than a few times.
Hiring a new employee is a risk; especially when youâre hiring at a senior enough level where the wrong decisions are amplified as the complexity of the software growsâand it becomes far more expensive to un/redo bad architectural decisions.
And the amount of time it takes for even an experienced engineer to learn their way around your existing stack, understand the reasons for certain design decisions, and contribute in a way thatâs not disruptiveâthatâs like 6 months minimum for some code bases. More if thereâs crazy data flows and weird ML stuff. And if theyâre âfull stack (backend and frontend) then itâs gonna be even longer before you see how good of a hiring decision you really made. For a $160k+/yr senior dev role, thatâs $80k (before benefits and other onboarding costs) before you really expect to see anything really significant.
So you schedule as many interviews as you need to get a feel for what they can do, because false negatives are way less expensive than false positives.
Sometimes people can be cunning: charm, wow annd woo their way past even the savviest of recruiters with the right combinations of jargon patterns.
Sometimes they can even fool a technical round interviewer.
4-5 interviews (esp. if the last is an onsite in which youâll meet many) seems to be about the norm in my field. Even if it kinda sucks for the person looking for the job.
model_tar_gz@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
⌠come to think of it now, I would have played ball with them if theyâd just been transparent about the situation upfront. It was good interview practice and in retrospect prepared me well for the interviews at my current role. And Iâm way happier with this company than I wouldâve been there.
The Universe does funny things.
sevan@lemmy.ca â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
I once had to post a position that was specifically made for my employee, but my recruiter was awesome. I told her there was no possibility I would pick anyone else, so she suggested I make the requirements hyper specific. So, I met with my employee and we worked up a list of 10-20 things that she had done in her career and put them all in as requirements to qualify.
I received no other âqualifiedâ applicants, so I only had to interview the one. My next meeting with her I said, âthis is your official interview, do you have any questions for me?â She said ânoâ and I congratulated her on being selected for the role.
lol_idk@lemmy.ml â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Two times in my life I fit what were obviously tailored requirements. In one case I was absolutely more qualified than the internal applicant (this was a very specific type of biological survey that was not common but I had had the good fortune of having done most of the existing work in the world)
Never heard a word, not even an âare you for realâ letter. My references were from the top people in the field too.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
âHa! Yeah right. Youâre TOO PERFECT. This must be fake, obviously. You canât fool me! NEXT.â
flora_explora@beehaw.org â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Yeah, thatâs how we did it for my PhD position as well. Someone still send an application anyways but they were clearly not fulfilling these hyper specific requirements so my prof didnât have to invite them :)
PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Job postings like yours are extremely common when the applicant has been pre-selected but the company still requires an external posting. Your applicant likes off-grid hiking, is a hobbyist drone pilot, and enjoys grilling?
Now the job posting for a IT position requires an applicant who is capable of accurate pathfinding using a paper map and compass, two years of drone pilot experience, and four years of culinary experience.
TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Itâs a real bummer interviewing these external applicants that you know wonât get the job. Like I wish I could just let them know, but weâre required to go through the entire interview process.
TheTetrapod@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
As someone in the inside, whatâs the rationale behind having to publicly post jobs like this? Why canât you just offer the job to the person you want to give it to?
AstridWipenaugh@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Itâs because of anti-discrimination laws. In some US states it can be illegal to hire someone for a position without posting it publicly. The concern is that if youâre not posting the job publicly, it can be because you want to prevent certain people from applying.
When you do post it publicly, the company can demonstrate that they allowed anyone to apply, show records that they considered multiple people for the job, and then decided on the internal candidate the best fit. No room for a discrimination lawsuit.
Source: Iâm a hiring manager at a multi-billion dollar company and have actually learned a thing or two from annual compliance training over the years.
Norin@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
In academia (my line of work) theyâre required to have positions posted and open for a certain amount of time, interview a certain number of applicants, etc.
In theory, itâs for equal opportunity and finding the best person for the job.
In practice, itâs a waste of time, money, and hope.
EtherWhack@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Likely corporate and/or legal politics. I would imagine things not unlike EEOP loopholing would play a big role in it. (Yes, govâment we are offering this opening to âanyoneâ. So, send that funding check right over)
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
I worked at a job for a long time as a contractor. I was originally hired as a temporary filler, but they liked me so well that they kept me on, and let other lower-performing contractors go instead, despite me being the newest. Eventually due to economic downturns they released all their contractors, including me.
A few years later as the economy recovered, they brought me back as a contractor again, with the intention of hiring me once a position became available. Months later, one did open up and they specifically told me to apply for that position as an internal hire - but they would have to open it up for external applicants too.
I was a tad annoyed that some external applicant could in theory swoop in and take my âpromisedâ position away from me, even though Iâd been doing the job for years and was clearly the favored candidate.
I felt bad for the external applicants who probably never really had a chance, but at the same time I felt Iâd earned that job.
I did get hired, of course, and I am still at the company to this day - fifteen years later. And Iâm up for another promotion at the end of this fiscal quarter.
Xanis@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Iâm fine with internal preselected individuals getting positions and promotions. What is universally disliked is us also getting interviews only to find out later they were a waste of time for this exact reason.
restingboredface@sh.itjust.works â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
It also sucks for the hiring manager who has to interview candidates they know they wonât hire just to stick to the process. Itâs a waste of everyoneâs time.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Exactly. Iâm just saying itâs not fair to the external applicants whose time is wasted- like you said; but itâs also unfair to the internal preselected people who have to âcompeteâ for a job that should already be theirs.
It all seems itâs just fine to satisfy some bureaucratic quota nonsense.
Norin@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
We are deeply honored to have received your application (which we did not bother to read).
Weâre sorry we didnât hire you, but also never contact us again.
Signed,
Someone in HR who has nothing to do with this process.
ulterno@lemmy.kde.social â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Oh, and also, all the information in your CV that you also painstakingly rewrote into our forms, is going to be spread around to other companies who will use it to send you spam and phishing messages.
Good luck with your future endeavours of staying sane with others trying to get money out of you, that you donât have.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
At my old company I offered to help with the hiring. I said we should make job postings and just see if a great candidate applies.
My CEO told me âoh, we already have some postings. Let me give you the credentialsâ.
I log in to (BreezyHR). Thereâs over 2,000 applicants in the last 6 months. Tailored resumes, cover letters, everything. All the effort people put in to applying. Never even read. Nobody in the company even logged in to the platform where they would be read. Reading the cover letters from people saying it would be such a great fit was kind of sad.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
But somehow theyâll still expect you to have tailored resumes and cover letters. This is the one positive thing thatâs come out of âAiâ writing: Spend 2 seconds generating some tailored business jargon they love so much, which is still 2 seconds more than any effort theyâd bother with on their end.
CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Iâve stopped tailoring resumes and doing cover letters. As someone who has been on the hiring end, they make maybe a small difference but the amount of time spent isnât worth the potential upside.
Keep in mind that the people doing the hiring donât want to be reading resumes either. Thatâs why networking is still the best way to land a new job.
ConstipatedWatson@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
How does the old saying go?
Ah, yes: âThis is funny because it is trueâ
atrielienz@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Having been on the other end of this where they picked an applicant from outside so they could pay them less, despite more than one person being more qualified and already working for the company, Iâm not sure whoâs side to be in here. On the one hand, if youâve already got someone lined up for the job, this is disingenuous. On the other hand, if someone already working for you can do the job but you donât want to pay them what theyâre worth, thatâs just messed up on several levels.
meep_launcher@lemm.ee â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Companies do 2 things:
lie to you
underpay you
If you are going to play the game of working in a corporation, the best time to apply to new jobs is the moment you get one. Loyalty died a long time ago, so donât pretend your manager is on your side.
Or also go freelance and never let 1 person control your income. In capitalism, money is freedom. If someone controls your money, they control your freedom.
Anticorp@lemmy.world â¨1⊠â¨year⊠ago
Your manager might be on your side, but most impactful decisions come from one or more levels above your manager, and theyâre just as powerless as you to change corporate decisions.