Having contacted them to get a contract going for the non free license before I doubt they actually give a shit about Foss. They literally wouldn’t give me a price without knowing how many employees the company I was being outsourced to had. And we wanted to self host so it wasn’t even a matter of their costs they literally charge based on what you look like
Elasticsearch is open source, again
Submitted 2 months ago by prslmblackhole@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://www.elastic.co/blog/elasticsearch-is-open-source-again
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DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 2 months ago
LibreHans@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lol, we had a sales rep in a meeting to talk about licensing while we were already self hosting and using it. When he heard that we would store business data and log data for the same app he said that’s two different use cases, and that we’d need two licenses.
limonfiesta@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This company may be dogshit, but seat count is the standard licensing structure for most employee facing business software, including on-prem.
And most business licensing requires that information to generate a quote, as price will be dependent upon several factors, including volume licensing tiers.
Sometimes, licensing structures are simple enough that an employee or rep might be able to give you a quick ballpark without that information, but that would be the exception, not the rule.
tiny@midwest.social 2 months ago
Usually in the observability space it is primarily based on the volume of data and sometimes seat count. Especially if it’s freemium like elastic where users can get an idea of volume by running a POC of the free version
madsen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Enterprise licensing for self-hosted setups is priced per chunk of 64 GB of RAM in your cluster. I.e. if you run Elastic on 2 machines of 32 GB RAM each, you pay for 1 node. It sounds like there may have been some poor communication going on, because they definitely don’t base the pricing for self-hosted setups on the number of employees or anything like that.
They’re also not super uptight about you going over the licensing limit for a while. We’ve been running a couple of licenses short since we scaled our cluster up a while back. Our account manager knows and doesn’t care.
zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 2 months ago
But I just moved to opensearch.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
github.com/opensearch-project/OpenSearch
OpenSearch is a community-driven, open source fork of Elasticsearch and Kibana following the license change in early 2021.
lnxtx@feddit.nl 2 months ago
For how long…?
TheImpressiveX@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
As long as the AGPL remains enforcable.
phoneymouse@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They got forked and were losing users?
walter_wiggles@lemmy.nz 2 months ago
I don’t understand how their decision 3 years ago “worked” and that’s why they’re changing the license again.
mvirts@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Maybe it “worked” enough for the execs to realize it was a mistake?
callmepk@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The tl;dr is that we will be adding AGPL as another license option next to ELv2 and SSPL in the coming weeks.
Well, it is still yet to come and other license isn’t going away; i will wait and see
lurch@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
it kinda feels like they need more licenses to complete the collection idk
jollyroberts@jolly-piefed.jomandoa.net 2 months ago
So how does triple licensed code work as an end user? They have multiple packages and i pick the one with the license i like? Or just one package and i just declare im using the AGPL 'essence' in my instance?
mosiacmango@lemm.ee 2 months ago
See, tgsi is hoe they getcha. You have to buy a elasticsearch brand AGPL scented candle to light while you install the packages. If you aren’t smelling the official blend of sandlewood and jasmine, it reverts back.
SquiffSquiff@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You might say that the definition is ‘Elastic’
catloaf@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Either one of those, or it’ll be one package and you choose the edition at install time, and it installs the appropriate features. (Or, if using a package manager, your distro will have the free one, and there will probably be a nonfree package available from the elastic site.)
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
There are also cases where it’s the exact same code base, but purchasing a license allows you to do things that you otherwise couldn’t (for AGPL, that would mean the ability to run a modified version of the code without making your modifications available to customers).
jollyroberts@jolly-piefed.jomandoa.net 2 months ago
Ah, that makes sense, thank you.
TootSweet@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Sweet! Now let’s all go commence scowling at Redis until they do the same.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Literally jumping
That’s where I stopped reading.
I work contract. I hope the ‘litchally’ morons never find out they’re paying a tax - just a few percent - for being morons.
kata1yst@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Haha, wow that was crazy, right everyone? Geeze, why did we even do that thing we did? What was that even? So weird!
Anyway, everything is back to the way it was before! Maybe even better! You can all come back now from the various forks and open alternatives you’ve spent the last 18 months migrating to!
ryannathans@aussie.zone 2 months ago
That’s a good one
theherk@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hashicorp watching with rapt attention while Hudson sits in the back and laughs.
titey@jlai.lu 2 months ago
True true…