Submitted 3 months ago by Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works to main@sh.itjust.works
I might not be understanding something about the fediverse, but isn’t this like if you couldn’t send or receive email from a friend because you use gmail Google decided to block @icloud domains?
Like, you’re not forced to follow or interact with it, and are free to block it if you can think of a reason to, I just don’t see why such an open platform used to limit users in this way
I don’t want to interact with anything related to that company. There’s a reason I don’t have accounts on any of their platforms. I don’t like them.
Because I remember this ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-ne…
And it feels like deja vu.
I think the argument is that Meta would hoover up and profit from posts from people who don’t consent to use it. AFAIK, you can’t block an instance from seeing your posts and comments, so the only real option is defederation.
You can’t block anything from seeing your posts and comments though. That is point of a free and public space. Defederation isn’t doing what you think it is
Sure, websites could scrape and whatnot, but having actual API integration is a very different thing.
These are seasoned ex-redditors here, do you think trying to antagonize them is going to work? Move along.
because fuck facebook and it’s ten other names and fuck zuckerberg too
All the arguments were had here: sh.itjust.works/post/11011288?scrollToComments=tr…
Facebook bad.
Yes that’s my whole take.
This is all you need.
I simply don’t trust Meta. That’s all.
Fascist-adjacent.
Overwhelmingly large.
E-mail does not work the same way.
Some more discussion on this old post here, both for and against
Thank you for the link
I went to fedi to avoid big corporations and what they’ve done with social media. Why would I want their platform having access to my posts? I don’t trust meta or any of the other big tech companies. In fact, the main mastodon instance I use blocks threads entirely and that’s one of the reasons I joined it.
There’s a lot of reactionary anti-corpo types here. There’s really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance. It’s also a pointless stance, as threads is a Twitter/mastodon style site and not really compatible with reddit/lemmy style sites.
There are some technical reasons to avoid federating for those hosting instances. The software forces local copies of everything users subscribe to which is a massive space concern. There’s also a problem with performance of syncing that data for large instances that’s already a problem with .world size instances, where it can take a day+ to process new comments.
There’s really no good reason for users to want to defederate from a Facebook owned instance.
Yeah why would anyone object to a company that manipulated people for the fascist who tried to overthrow the US government, and recently hired a co-author of Project 2025? ‘You just don’t like it!’
That’s a reson to not subscribe or participate, not defederate.
For me it’s just “fuck Meta.” Fuck that company for coming here.
Lots of people love to defederate anything at the drop of a hat.
That's it.
In reality, threads and lemmy aren't even the same type of thing and are unlikely to intersect on a regular basis, in the same way you don't see many posts from mastodon or pleroma.
One thing I find funny about the whole thing is meta is a bunch of corpos, so it isn't that hard to just get them to defederate from you if you're willing to grow a spine. My network is blocked, and I believe it's because I called the maintainer of fediblock a nazi gestapo a bunch of times and demanded they add my site to their list of wrongthinkers or I'd call them doubleplus ungood, thus getting on a list that mindless drones use because it's easier to just follow orders, regardless of where those orders come from.
lol
They don’t like meta. Everything else is just justifying that.
Well, this was extremely disappointing. Only one person had a helpful reply, pointing to this link explaining the basics, a couple others vaguely gestured about their distaste of Meta, and everyone else demonstrated an even lesser understanding of the fediverse than I had started with. One particular flat-earther just called me a slag and posted a screenshot of themselves downvoting all my comments.
This discussion has happened several times over the last few months, people are probably over it.
The thread that was linked has 119 comments if you want more opinions on the topic.
If you other threads
“Everyone disagrees with me, that is insane because I am clearly smarter than them all. Why don’t people like me?!”
All of your comments in one reductive nutshell.
When did anyone disagree with me?
Or people checked your comment history and saw that your first ever comment was to vote against defederation, and you haven’t done anything besides drop pseud-posts whenever people expressed their desire not to federate with Threads. That does not look like good faith engagement to me.
Username checks out
TheOneCurly@lemm.ee 3 months ago
The concept as I understand it is that Threads has the sheer volume of content to completely drown out the existing Fedi content if it fully opens the floodgates. If that occurs and say 90% of content becomes Threads and then they start making Threads only extensions to Activity Pub, servers will have to start patching those in and the Activity Pub project is defacto owned by Meta.
People also have issues with the Meta content moderation and the population on Threads, but as you noted that’s fixable on an individual and community level. The existential threat to the future of the Fediverse is why servers should defederate. Meta can’t and shouldn’t be trusted with any amount of power over this community project.
placatedmayhem@lemmy.world 3 months ago
This is called “Embrace, Extend, Extinguish”. Microsoft coined the term internally for their responses to open standards in the 90’s and 00’s.
…wikipedia.org/…/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 3 months ago
Lemmy World is doing a pretty good job of that themselves. I don’t hate them, but I don’t understand why.