Submitted 5 months ago by skilledtothegills@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
https://stackdiary.com/eu-council-has-withdrawn-the-vote-on-chat-control/
Moritz Körner, Member of the European Parliament, disclosed the decision on Twitter. Swedish publisher SVG said, “The question was removed at the last moment from Thursday’s ambassadorial meeting in Brussels”.
I’m still fucking mad the Left voted yes for this. Campaigning on a no and then turning their coats immediately after the elections. Disgraceful, and I hope whichever party members are responsible get booted.
Don’t make the mistake of thinking that left mean anti-authoritarian. Left or right is an economic stance, and is orthogonal to beliefs surrounding government rights Vs population rights.
When I say Left, I mean Vänsterpartiet, not some nebulous coalition. See their stance here.
Chat control was a proposal on an EU level which meant that applications and social media platforms would be forced to scan all of their users messages. The proposal has been put forth by the EU comission as a part of a larger package with the purpose of protecting children against exploitation on the internet. The Left Party considers that the part specifically about chat control wouldn’t contribute to the end goals. There are more effective measures that need to be taken in order to protect children.
After significant criticism from us and many others the EU parliament has significantly improved the proposal. They have among other things removed all parts regarding automatic scanning. This has meant that all parties now are in support of the EU-parliament position. The proposal is now on hold among the member states and instead another, temporary law has been extended to counter sexual abuse of children on the internet.
Overall the Left (Vänsterpartiet) campaigns on a position of being against surveillance and the like. The Social Democrats (part of the Left coalition) however is in favour of it, because of course they fucking are. My issue here is obviously that they’re lying to our faces.
On a much greater scale I have a lot of issues. For the most part I align mostly with V and MP, but we’re talking on a level of like 60-70%, so they don’t actually represent my views particularly well. In the grand scheme of things that’s also not something I’d expect; I’m rather extreme but I also realise that there’s only so much we can do when operating within the system we currently have. Thus I align with the parties that align the closest with the core beliefs I have, V and MP.
One of my biggest icks when it comes to politics is hiding behind children. It infuriates me.
Left or right is an economic stance
What about the social stance?
Check out the political compass, which is an interesting way to conceptualize political leanings. I don’t think the test is particularly good (I have issues with a few of the questions), but the answer I get is pretty close to where I think I should be placed, so maybe there’s some merit to it.
I’m consistently in the bottom half near the center line, and the two major parties in my country are in the top right. I guess that just demonstrates why I fail to see much difference in what I care about in the two major parties, since moving toward either direction is a move away from me.
Anyway, I hope this is a decent demonstration of how the left/right divide doesn’t tell the whole story.
Not exactly orthogonal, left right could be viewed as an Principal Component Analysis reduced to only one axis. So there are correlations between stances but so much dimensions lost that it’s nearly useless
Left or right is an economic stance, and is orthogonal to beliefs surrounding government rights Vs population rights.
Left or right is political stance. The closest you can get it to economy is by saying “left prioritizes political freedoms, while right economic”.
They are just delaying the vote for another time… Hoping that next time it will fly under the radar and there won’t be a huge backlash of discontent.
If the vote fail, they just wait a year, rename it, and try again.
Same thing happens in the US. Law proposed that people hate, people organize, start a campaign that fights for news airtime, bringing awareness of the dickery about to happen, and then succeed after a hard battle and many many volunteer hours spent.
In 6 months Congress just renames it the “I love kittens” act and sticks it on a must pass bill.
Fighting bullshit laws is exhausting…
Don’t be surprise if it reappears as an attachment to a fishing quota law or a law defining sizes for underwear…
it reappears as an attachment to a fishing quota law or a law defining sizes for underwear
Sounds very Putin.
It happens in the US yes, but does it happen in the EU?
Idk about the EU(there have been cases that were exactly this, an example would be Article 13), but I can say to you, that this devinetively happens in Germany. Our conservatives party wants to pass a law, that would track and save all your online activity(Vorratsdatenspeicherung/ data preservation) to fight “paedophiles and terrorists” they bring it up once in a while, even tho, our federal court already said, that its illegal.
As much I like the EU, politicians are politicians …
Hungary will take the EU presidency, they just name it “child protection” and will smear everyone as a pedophile who objects it.
Wasn’t this rejected once already? Perhaps if they wanted to do something useful, they should pass something that says that if something is majority disliked twice or something, then it should be withdrawn and not proposed again for at least 100 years.
They will keep trying again and again and again. The assault on privacy has been going on for decades and it will never stop.
You’ve gotta defend for an infinite amount of time, but they’ve only gotta succeed once.
And “Chat Control” isn’t even the only thing like this in the pipeline. There’s the so-called “security by design” bullshit (which does the opposite of what then name implies) that’s actually even worse than Chat Control and has also been worked on in secret, and which’d include mass scale surveillance of not just photos but pretty much everything, and is much more likely to pass than Chat Control.
2001 especially.
Such a rule is basically un-enforceable. Because it is nearly never exactly the same text. So it is always the first time voted on.
What they could do is create a law that protects the integrity of E2EE. At least in this case.
But I guess that will never happen.
They can just give it a new name and change some details to propose it again. Like how they made it “voluntary” this time (but you can only send text if you don’t agree).
Better define some basic human rights as a core tenet and fire repeat offenders.
Find the politicians by name who voted yes for this, and display them in public.
Let the capable open source community then take over going through their phones, since they must be OK with their phones being scanned, right?
At least some of them were discussion giving themselves an exception from it. So no.
All the more reason to find the friendly neighbourhood blackhat gang
First of all it was in the council, so not really individual politicians but the governments/ministers of member countries, and second they didn’t vote, it was withdrawn.
We got lucky this time. Won’t be the case next time.
Also, even if it’s entire governments voting, there must be a way to find politicians who are pro and against this, yes? Pretty sure governments had an internal vote and they came up with their decision based on said vote
Note the vote was withdrawn, not actually voted against. They’re pushing this for a later date because there was no majority.
“The EU Council did not make a decision on chat control today, as the agenda item was removed due to the lack of a majority, (…)
Belgium’s draft law, (…) was instead postponed indefinitely. (…) Belgium cannot currently present a proposal that would gain a majority. In July, the Council Presidency will transfer from Belgium to Hungary, which has stated its intention to advance negotiations on chat control as part of its work program.
Absolutely fuck all is going to get done while orban has control of the council so at least theres that
Can we please identify the guys always pushing encryption-breaking ideas?
I hate dishonest titles and URLs. In reality, this shit has nothing to do with “child sex content.”
So I assume that since it was withdrawn, this doesn’t set a precedent and it’s only a matter of time untill they try to sneak it thru with a different name.
Now put in a law saying you can’t do that
Nice. I guess they didn’t expect to get a majority to support it anymore. Definitely a win for now, but I’m sure they’ll try again.
I guess that realisation came after Germany said they will vote “No”
Yeah. They’ve been trying about every year since… I don’t know, two decades? They DEFINITELY will keep at it. They never give up.
Damn.. this was almost China 2.0 in EU. This was a close call people... this is not good.
Lets gooooo🔥
(It has happened in the past, it will probably happen again in a few months, but still, its a win!)
Thank the heavens. Now keep it that way!
Great choice, now do not say the same thing next year!
I am suspicious they realized that they weren’t going to be able to make a loophole for themselves - I’ve seen several articles in the last week on how they were trying to do that.
Nah it’s more like that got caught being hypocrites
Anti-privacy doesn’t see hypocrisity as something bad
Crazy to think they were even considering it. Hopefully this is the end of it.
From what I understand it was withdrawn as a vote „in favor of the goals of the commission“ was not guaranteed. In part because Germany announced its decision to withdraw support yesterday. Seems to be standard behavior.
Until next try in a few months.
What i read here sometime without source, that UKUSA and BND (as their dog) since Snowden push for breaking of encryption, seems more and more plausible.
USSA - totalitarian total surveilance since 2007 or earlier.
China - totalitarian total surveilance since the beginning.
Russia - totalitarian total surveilance since 2016.
You know, even Russia doesn’t look that bad. Also, fuck Putin, Yarovaya, Milonov and fuck FSB/NSA/other spying organizations.
glad it got stopped. hopefully it never will.
Moritz Körner, Member of the European Parliament, disclosed the decision on Twitter. Swedish publisher SVG said, “The question was removed at the last moment from Thursday’s ambassadorial meeting in Brussels”.
Who are SVG? I have never heard of them before and I can’t find anything online.
It looks like they might have meant SVT (Swedish public television). This article has similar wording.
I was thinking they might have meant SvD (Svenska Dagbladet), who are a news organisation, though I didn’t see any corresponding articles.
arymandias@feddit.de 5 months ago
They are just edging this law till nobody pays attention. Democracy at work!
melroy@kbin.melroy.org 5 months ago
Indeed, until the next time, where it doesn't have enough news coverage. China 2.0 here we come.