“it’s shocking they didn’t make a record of their illegal behaviors”
Judge mulls sanctions over Google’s “shocking” destruction of internal chats
Submitted 6 months ago by jeffw@lemmy.world to technology@lemmy.world
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Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world 6 months ago
deweydecibel@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It is shocking because they did it after the investigation had started, which is monumentally stupid.
You can destroy any records you want at any time, unless there’s an investigation underway or you have good reason to believe one will be starting. At that point, you’re destroying evidence.
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
The crazy part is the implication that the evidence destroyed was probably more damning than having a judge and jury asaume anything reasonably suggested to have been implicated by those chats as true.
fluckx@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Must be the evidence was more damning than the SCT of destroying evidence
teft@lemmy.world 6 months ago
firadin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
No, it’s shocking that the destroyed evidence after being explicitly instructed not to.
mp3@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
Make destroying evidence a worse offense than the crime and sanction them accordingly.
firadin@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It is for us plebs, look up adverse inference
foggy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
$10 says they’re backed up somewhere.
A company like Google has redundant backups in their veins.
Just sayin.
jabathekek@sopuli.xyz 6 months ago
Well, until legal gets involved.
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Dawg google is above the law
They make your phone, most likely
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
You shouldn’t use deleted chats as evidence. That is a precedent that should not be a allowed to stand. Its up there with Tor users automatically being criminals.
I’m am sure they can find some evidence even if they have to fall back to interviews of employees.
subignition@fedia.io 6 months ago
According to the DOJ, Google destroyed potentially hundreds of thousands of chat sessions not just during their investigation but also during litigation. Google only stopped the practice after the DOJ discovered the policy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampering_with_evidence#Spoliation
Enkers@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
However, in U.S. federal courts, updates to the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure in 2015 have resulted in significant decline in spoliation sanctions.
Oof. Five bucks says this change was driven by concerted megacorp lobbying efforts.
Badeendje@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Actively destroying evidence should mean automatic ondertal of the worst.
NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Only if you are able to.imagine the worst.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 6 months ago
Until you get arrested for using encryption
Hegar@kbin.social 6 months ago
Google was accused of enacting a policy instructing employees to turn chat history off by default when discussing sensitive topics
According to the DOJ, Google destroyed potentially hundreds of thousands of chat sessions not just during their investigation but also during litigation. Google only stopped the practice after the DOJ discovered the policy. DOJ's attorney Kenneth Dintzer told Mehta Friday that the DOJ believed the court should "conclude that communicating with history off shows anti-competitive intent to hide information because they knew they were violating antitrust law.
It's perfectly reasonable to see this practice of avoiding the creation of evidence of their wrongdoing as evidence of wrongdoing, which is 100% what it is.
applepie@kbin.social 6 months ago
You have zero understanding about corpoorate governence and record detection laws. You should get educated before providing uneducated opinions lol
jeffw@lemmy.world 6 months ago
One day people will read my posts before commenting. I hope…
Darkenfolk@dormi.zone 6 months ago
What post? You just dumped a link on lemmy with a title attached to it.
Not even a small summary or anything, something that I would consider the bare minimum for a post.
unreasonabro@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Pfft. Then you’ll be complaining about all the dummies that didn’t even understand your progressively more simple prose as you try to explain semi-complex concepts to people with no shared educational background
unreasonabro@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Don’t Be Evil!^TM
dukethorion@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Just tell DOJ the guy in charge of server backup and retention didn’t know what they were doing. Worked for Hillary.
gregorum@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Even the judge hates that Google keeps shutting down projects unexpectedly
thefartographer@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Put them in the graveyard