No, you don't need a 'very bespoke AOSP' to turn your phone into a Rabbit R1 — here's proof

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• warm@kbin.earth ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is one of those shitty products that you can see being shitty from a mile away, yet all the coverage and discussion around it gives it a life it otherwise wouldn't have had.

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  • magic_lobster_party@kbin.run ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s probably only because it’s co-designed by Teenage Engineering. Usually their devices get quite the fuzz.

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They have so much quality audio equipment, it’s understandable why people would stump for this because of the TE involvement alone.

      Funnily enough, despite being a TE enthusiast, this is my first time hearing that they had anything to do with this joke of a product.

      …which kind of does make me sort look at TE like… wtf were you thinking?

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    • realharo@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Which is exactly like the “camera collabs” that phone makers sometimes do that end up being nothing more than marketing gimmicks.

      Like the OnePlus camera “by Hasselblad” that is quality wise the same as any other smartphone camera in that price category.

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  • abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    They’re being given leniency because the hardware designers have a great reputation.

    Unfortunately the software team has fallen flat.

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    • ahornsirup@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The hardware team made a device that just couldn’t be turned into a good product no matter what the software team did. None of those AI-in-a-box devices are good products because they simply don’t have a reason to exist. Everything they can do, phones can do. If you have a phone, you don’t need one of those AI boxes, however if you buy one of those AI assistant things, you’ll still need a phone (which, again, can completely replace the AI box with no loss in functionality).

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    • db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Camera shutters aren’t new…

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    • bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Some phones and PDAs from decades ago had a “jog dial” on the side, like a mouse scroll wheel.

      It was so easy to roll through menus and just push it to click.

      The separate roller and button arrangement this has seems such a poor choice in comparison.

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  • pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if you’d give me 17€ minimum to use it, I’d for sure be using it.

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• MargotRobbie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Technically, every Android phone uses a “very bespoke AOSP”, because the Android kernel is customized for the hardware of every single phone model, which can include things like hardware drivers and carrier services.

  This is the reason that there is no universal Android ROM that works across every Android phone, unlike Windows or normal GNU/Linux distributions.

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  • Kolanaki@yiffit.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What about custom ROMs like Lineage? The only thing holding it back from working on every phone is that many phones have blocks to prevent installing a custom ROM.

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    • MargotRobbie@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The manufacturer has to release the phone’s kernel source code before any custom ROM development can happen for the phone most of the time for that reason.

      There is a reason that GrapheneOS only works on a couple of Pixel phones.

      Could be just like windows in that it has every driver for every piece of hardware in the package, just bloating it unnecessarily.

      Google specifically designed the Android kernel so that the driver are excluded, unlike the normal Linux or Windows kernel, because, long story short, Qualcomm did not want it to happen.

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    • madscience@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Every device had it’s own device tree and kernel with custom driver’s, binary blinds, and system software. All of it runs beside the closed source modern os

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• Assman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Very bespoke? Are there varying degrees of… bespokeness?

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  • AnActOfCreation@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Like very unique. 😅

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But bespoke doesn’t really mean unique, it just means custom. So either something is bespoke, or it’s off-the-shelf. I guess you could have semi-bespoke where you just add stuff to the off-the-shelf platform.

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• GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ve no skin in the game related to this device or software. I simply don’t care. However, in terms of an AI assistant, I am curious if there is anything on the market, including this ~APK~ device, that is worth using. For someone who is privacy centric, advert avoidant, and security focused… does (or even can) such an app/tool exist?

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  • db2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You won’t like anything on offer currently except for that which is entirely self hosted.

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    • GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What are a couple of the best self hosted options? I wouldn’t mind giving it a go on my server. I may not have enough juice with what I currently run, but perhaps as a proof of concept first and then new hardware later.

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  • andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What db2 already said. Microsoft just released Phi-3 mini, which could, allegedly, run locally on newer smartphones.

    If I understood correctly, the Rabbit thingy just captures your information locally and then forwards it to their server. So, if you want more power, you could probably do the same by submitting the same info to a bigger open source model than Phi-3, like Llama 3, hosted on your homelab. I believe you can set it up with huggingface/gradio, which sort of provides an API that you could use.

    That way, you don’t need a shitty orange box, and can always get the latest open source models with a few lines of code. There are plenty of open source frameworks in the works at the moment, and I believe that we’re not far off from having multi-modal LLMs running on homelab-level hardware (if you don’t mind a bit of lag).

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    • GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      huggingface! i found it once and never could remember again who hosted all those models. thank you!

      i use a different device than homelab, but now I am curious what I may be able to achieve with my syno system. it’s hw weak, so probably not a lot. but i would like to give it a go. if it’s decent, i may consider another device for the purpose.

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  • abhibeckert@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ChatGPT 4 is a great assistant, I find it indispensable… I use it on my phone and computer but would like it in a dedicated device.

    Privacy? Yeah it’s not great, but that’s mitigated by OpenAI focusing the product hard on areas that don’t really need privacy.

    I do think these tools can be private - but to get there we need more RAM on our computers and phones, and it needs to be expensive high bandwidth RAM, which costs a fortune.

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    • hedgehog@ttrpg.network ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Last I checked (around the time that LLAMA v3 was released), the performance of local models on CPU also was pretty bad for most consumer hardware (Apple Silicon excepted) compared to GPU performance, and the consumer GPU RAM situation is even worse. At least, when talking about the models that have performance anywhere near that of ChatGPT, which was mostly 70B models with a few exceptional 30B models.

      My home server has a 3090, so I can use a self-hosted 4-bit (or 5-bit with reduced context) quantized 30B model. If I added another 3090 I’d be able to use a 4-bit quantized 70B model.

      There’s some research that suggests that 1.58 bit (ternary) quantization has a lot of potential, and I think it’ll be critical to getting performant models on phones and laptops. At 1.58 bit per parameter, a 30B model could fit into 6 gigs of RAM, and the quality hit is allegedly negligible.

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    • GlassHalfHopeful@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      So you are using OpenAI’s app? Do you have it integrated into your phone? What are the main features that you use (beyond asking questions like one does from their app/site)?

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• XEAL@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  No, you don’t need a ‘very bespoke AOSP’ to turn your phone into a Rabbit R1

  I just fucking need to get the APK from a goddman reliable source and only know APKMirror

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  • viking@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The article says that you need a custom launcher to establish a connection to their cloud service, so the apk only won’t do it either way. But give it a few days and someone will have rigged up a full package, no doubt. Then you’ve probably got 6-8 weeks to use the service before they kick the bucket and shut down forever…

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    • XEAL@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The APK is called “R1 Launcher”…

      They’ve already proved it works from an Android phone.

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• matto@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I don’t really care for this product. It’s another unnecessary AI assistant. What I’m struggling to understand is why it matters which platform it’s been built on. What difference would it make if they wrote an entire OS from scratch only for this device instead of using Android, if the end product would be the same?

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  • themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Because the main criticism of this class of products is “why in the fuck would I need a device for this? my phone already has a data plan, a microphone, and a camera. Make it an app” and the response is some vague “oh well it’s so advanced (it’s not.) it couldn’t possibly run on a phone”.

    The vision is that once TPUs become affordable enough to run these models on-device, you would need a device that has such a TPU and you would go to them. But this is completely overlooking the fact that all snapdragons and the like would also have the same TPUs integrated, and also we’re not there yet, so for as long as you need to send the query to openAI’s API, why is this not an app?

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  • moog@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It just drives the point home that it should have, and could have been an app on your phone. If they hadn’t sold this as some sort of revolutionary new product and instead were honest to themselves and us about what it was this would be a different story.

    Just like all tech bs it’s just a bunch of lies to make initial sales that they never follow through with.

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    • TwoCubed@feddit.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But maybe people would like a standalone device, without the distraction a regular smartphone brings.

      I’m not defending this thing as AI in it’s current state is near useless, bar some niche applications. But the decision to make it a standalone device isn’t really controversial in my opinion.

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  • Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    If the product was as they marketed and sold it, it shouldn’t be able to run on Android.

    Clearly they lied to their customers, I’d be pissed.

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• dmalteseknight@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Not sure what the surprise is. It is a device that needs you to sign into an account and have an internet connection. Ie it is just a dumb terminal. Kind of like how Alexa speakers are useless without an internet connection. All the processing is done on servers.

  Even if it was not an android app, you probably could have made a clone of it since you are basically interacting with a web api.

  In their defence the device has the advantage of giving you instant access to their ai through the touch of a button whilst on phones you would need to physically open the app as the “assistant” functionality is already reserved to Siri, Bixby, etc.

  Personally I like the concept if the processing was done within the device, but considering you need monster machines to run llms I guess we are least decades away from that reality.

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  • Zo0@feddit.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well you can change your ‘assistant’ in Android so not even that.

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    • dmalteseknight@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ah wasn’t aware of the ability to change assistants. I stand corrected!

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• rimjob_rainer@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

  Another day, another scam, nothing new.

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