Observe Israel definitely not being an Apartheid state.
Why does the West support Zionists?
The Palestine experience
Submitted 6 months ago by IndustryStandard@lemmy.world to aboringdystopia@lemmy.world
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atro_city@fedia.io 6 months ago
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Biden is older than Israel, he was 6 when it was created, and he has said he will always support them no matter what because when he was a child his father made him promise to.
Elderly people often don’t realize how much has changed. In Biden’s eyes Israel will always be the victims because of WW2.
For him to accept that was generations ago and lots has changed, he’d have to come to terms with how old he was.
And if he could do that, he wouldn’t be trying to increase his record for oldest president ever.
index@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Let’s not just blame it on someone being old. They know exactly what’s going on they simply don’t care about a bunch of poor people dying when these are in between their ambitions.
platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Wasn’t Zionism created like in 1880 or something like that?
morrowind@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
I like to think biden has, to a good extent. From what I’m seeing in the news, his administration is internally pushing a lot harder on israel than they show externally. Of course he still sends billions through, maybe I’m just projecting
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
Why? Well the TL;DR is that it’s very fucking complicated.
Israel is a useful military proxy for the US. They probably do a lot of advantageous things for us. (the US isn’t just the tooth fairy after all) i’ve heard on the grape vine that we have existing established weapons deals with israel that could very iffy to overturn (as per usual with this shit)
zionist as a term is also very broad. It can be used to mean quite a lot, though specifically with islam, it seems to be a pretty generic term of “we want our own state” and that’s about it.
hamas is funded/supplied by iran (unless this has changed?), last i checked we bombed the ever living shit out of iran in the war on terror, so they probably don’t like us, and we probably don’t like them, so as far as the US is concerned, this is just a proxy war on iran with israel buying our military equipment. We’ve seen iran strike israel, and israel strike iran, so this is basically just a proxy war at this point.
strategically, from a military perspective, there is probably a “good” reason to be doing this, good as in the sense of keeping your military power healthy. This is technically a way of the US testing equipment in war time, though who knows how much of that is true. military hardware investigation is a fucking nightmare so i might just be pulling that one out of my ass honestly. There are almost certainly other benefits, like the aforementioned proxy war, it allows us to keep an eye on how war tends to work in the middle east, which gives us a technological leg up, because we can prepare for that.
the israel/palestine conflict itself goes back quite far, and continues into even murkier waters. If you look into some of the history it’s pretty fucked up. And incredibly hodge podge. This shit has never been clean, will never be clean, and can never be clean. This is just an unfortunate fact of long term disputes.
israel has kind of pushed palestine into a hard space over the years. Palestine has reacted by creating a hard space to push israel into, which israel is obviously pushing back on. And now we have warfare in an urban setting.
This shit sucks, it’s awful, there’s almost no way to have a set opinion on anything except for the fact that “it’s bad”
oh and need i mention we’re in between what is essentially two marginally different accounts of history through religion? To my knowledge, israel, and palestine refer to the same plot of land (at least roughly) in a historical sense (religious texts lmao, but probably even outside of them) so now we have two parties, who are basically the same party, fighting over what is basically the name of a place, but actually because israel decided they don’t like palestine? (probably, i dont know why they did this shit, could be a multitude of reasons) now it’s essentially escalated into what can only be described as a war.
now to be clear here, i’m not supporting any one party here. I’m just pointing out a handful of complex reasons as to why this might be the case. I hate when people take incredibly complex geopolitical conflicts and rivalries and go “well actually bad dumb and good smart”
MxM111@kbin.social 6 months ago
The West does not support Zionism (expansionism of Israel). The West does, however, support right of Israel to exist.
Deceptichum@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
“The west doesn’t support a Jewish state in Palestine, it supports the right for a Jewish state in Palestine to exist.”
Hmmm right.
givesomefucks@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Do you mean “the west” doesn’t support Biden?
When Joe Biden met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his war cabinet during his visit to Israel, the U.S. president assured them: “I don’t believe you have to be a Jew to be a Zionist, and I am a Zionist.”
reuters.com/…/i-am-zionist-how-joe-bidens-lifelon…
I’d agree that most people planning on voting for him are really just voting against trump again.
But the sitting US president literally calls himself a Zionist…
Serinus@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I want to be with you on this, but the West is clearly materially supporting expansion. If they’re expanding and we’re still sending ammunition, then we’re supporting Zionism.
Swordinferno@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It’s just another proxy war with China. US supports Israel. China supports Iran. If the US stops giving Israel the weapons to bomb Palestine, Israel will find someone else to sell them weaponry (China).
Traegert@lemm.ee 6 months ago
One of the biggest failings of society is when we, instead of holding them accountable, give the bullies bigger sticks and look away until it’s “not a problem” anymore.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
The casual brutality is terrifying.
The way the man does not react in any way and just lowers the head and keeps walking is even more terrifying.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
They were clearly hamas
qwerty@discuss.tchncs.de 6 months ago
I download all of the videos like this so that in 30 years when free speech is illegal and you have to scan your id embedded in your brain chip to access the internet i can show them to the future generation before my brain gets fried for wrong think.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
archive.org has already been on this almost certainly, if you arent already doing it, you should be putting them on archive btw
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 6 months ago
Unless you donate money to them, those services that archive.org does will not exist forever.
DreamlandLividity@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Archive.org may be soon loosing a copyright lawsuit that will put them out of business. Better not rely on one third party for something this important.
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
People will then tell you that if it is not online it is fake and AI generated.
We live in a world where people only believe what they want to believe and doubt only the facts that dont suit their beliefs
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
ok so, where are we? And who are these people? and what am i seeing?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
In Jerusalem. The people getting beat up are Palestinians. The people beating them up are Israeli soldiers.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 months ago
ok that sounds about right.
Ballistic_86@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Some of these replies seem to think it is okay to hit a random guy, walking passed, in the knee with batons. Escalation of force starts with clear and concise commands. I didn’t see one of those uniformed men command or inform those two that they weren’t allowed to do whatever it is they were doing (appeared to be walking casually on the street) before they busted out the batons.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Can someone clarify for me
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when/where was this taken
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who are the people in “uniform” and how do you know
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what organization published this, i don’t recognize them
cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 6 months ago
So… I can’t answer your questions but is is certainly in Israel.
There is no doubt that Israel would not allow anyone but themselves to behave like that inside Israel. So id say that it is pretty safe to assume it is an Israeli authority of some sort.
Who leaked it and when is irrelevant IMO.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I would argue with the current… state… of Israel and with the intl pressures and propaganda both who and when leaked it are quite relevant. It contains no context of who these people are (police, armed forces, paramilitary), who they are attacking (cant say I see any reason to treat the second one like that regardless), or why. It is absolutely framed as a random attack on civilians, but what is the context - is it a random attack?
Regarding who and when, there are significant propaganda campaigns on both sides and this provides considerable context. MEE was found to be editing historical videos and adding on Al Jazeera logos to make old recording look like they were Regarding events only a few hours old to spark outrage, Israel is… well being Israel… so there is much more behind this than a 32 second video viewed in Isolation.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
The original post is from today twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1785325593615032694
“Israeli occupation forces assault Palestinians passing by in the occupied city of Jerusalem.”
I think it is recent. There is Hebrew text and the video is very high definition.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
From Wikipedia (Regarding Quds news network).
In short - the site is soo biased and unfavorable they have been banned by X, tiktok and Meta. They have a reputation for being used to fund militant group.
“The Jewish News Syndicate reported in 2023 that the Australian Jewish Association had criticized the site as “a notorious anti-Israel antisemitic propaganda platform affiliated with Hamas.”[9] Twitter subsequently suspended QNN’s accounts in November 2019 as part of broader actions against accounts linked to militant groups such as Hamas and Hezbollah.[10][11][12] In January 2021, TikTok banned QNN, stating that it was a move related to the account’s content.[4] Meta suspended QNN’s English and Arabic pages after the 2023 Hamas attack on Israel.”
(AP via wiki)
It also reported that while QNN says it is independent, it has a reputation of being associated with Palestinian Islamic Jihad, a militant group.
Not exactly a group I would associate with providing the full story
tearsintherain@leminal.space 6 months ago
Well played, you seem to always question and needle at posts that show crimes against Palestinians. Never seem to question or confront the mass slaughter of women and children. Never question the constant illegal settlement building, never the well established apartheid. Bravo, you’re not bad at being an apologist for genocide. Except the world can no longer unsee the horrors in Gaza. They are starting to see that Israel is led by religious fanatics, and has become its own worst enemy.
HappycamperNZ@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Its almost like there is an entire propaganda campaign from both sides where facts and accuracy have taken a back seat to pushing agendas and swinging public opinion. Like the amount of people outraged by half truths is covering accurate reporting and fact from authoritive sources, and arguments are downvoting anything that doesn’t confirm to their already established world view that was built on these half truths.
If you’re that pissed, block me and move on - because the basic who/when/where still hasn’t been answered.
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Breezy@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Any one instrested should read The Olive Grove: A Palestinian Story by Deborah Rohan. The book follows 3 generations around ww2 of a single family that goes through hell by the zionist of the time.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Twitter link if Catbox has problems twitter.com/KuarkKuantum_/…/1785397428910232047
platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Alright, but what the fuck is this?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
I accidentally linked a commenter instead of the original post. Corrected the link.
On Twitter you’re two clicks away from any spectrum of the internet.
Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
These particular officers are really only making their ranks look bad in the eyes of the people they are claiming to protect. If they are not disciplined in a meaningful way, then there is a big problem here brewing.
brain_in_a_box@lemmy.ml 6 months ago
then there is a big problem here brewing
I don’t know if you’ve been living under a rock or something, but we’re a bit past that point mate.
theacharnian@lemmy.ca 6 months ago
They are not “only making their ranks look bad”. More important than their fucking looks and reputation is that they are also brutalizing and traumatizing an occupied People.
Immersive_Matthew@sh.itjust.works 6 months ago
Agreed. We do not know the whole story here, but it does not look good and I am willing to bet these people being attacked is unjustified.
Banana_man@reddthat.com 6 months ago
My guy Palestine is occupied since 1948 by Israel who, usually, “only” did sporadic bombings here and there. Now there’s an active war with some 35k dead and Israeli forces preparing to invade Rafah which has an encampment of unthinkable amounts of refugees. There’s a genocide going on right now. This kind of behaviour is encouraged, not ignored. Their ranks look bad enough committing genocide, it isn’t a few “bad apples”.
Makhno@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Link already scrubbed smh
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 6 months ago
It still works for me but here is another link if it does not work for you twitter.com/QudsNen/status/1785325593615032694
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com 6 months ago
The country should have been divided into a northern country and a southern country just like ancient Israel was.
That way both parties could exist from the river to the sea.
Shyfer@ttrpg.network 6 months ago
That still would’ve been wrong. Imagine if I came in to your house and decided half of it was mine. The half I like btw. And then slowly start taking more until you’re locked in the basement and can’t leave until I say so.
Banana_man@reddthat.com 6 months ago
And then throw bombs in the basement lol
penquin@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Imagine treating people like that for decades then complain when they react.