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While mods should be able to ban for any reason, their reason listed should be accurate, IMO. Otherwise they’re just power tripping.
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Submitted 6 months ago by fartington@lemm.ee to meta@lemm.ee
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BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 6 months ago
Blaze@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
Indeed, but I don’t expect much accuracy from people on a conservative community
Alice@hilariouschaos.com 6 months ago
💯
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Softies that are downvoting, I assume this is ok? Good to know lol
Alice@hilariouschaos.com 6 months ago
What r you trying to accomplish with this post
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I want clarification that it is ok to list any reason you want when banning someone.
Dreizehn@kbin.social 6 months ago
Do not turn this site into another Reddit. I was permanently banned from Reddit because the fucking Russian shills cried over a comment I made about the war.
Mastengwe@lemm.ee 6 months ago
If you want to see Reddit on lemmy, head over to Politics on Lemmy World.
Holy shit the bias is absurdly obvious there.
Hyperreality@kbin.social 6 months ago
It's obvious everywhere. If anything it's often worse in the fediverse, because communities are smaller and extremists are more able to dominate the discussion.
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 months ago
I mean, isn’t the point of the fediverse that you can just jump to another instance? There isn’t a central authority like there is with reddit.
wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
Reported for cry baby whinry posting.
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
[deleted]wesker@lemmy.sdf.org 6 months ago
You saw that? I thought I ninja edited quick enough!
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 6 months ago
Actually that’s what the mod did. They even had to use a fake reason for it 😂
Alice@hilariouschaos.com 6 months ago
🤣 I thought that wasn’t a thing lol
sunaurus@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I agree that using the mod log to attack other users with inaccurate mod action reasons is not really justifiable.
We now have some additional guidance about this here under the moderator responsibilities section:
Ensure that they only provide accurate and clear reasons for mod actions
I will make a separate announcement post about this as well shortly.
Unfortunately, due to the nature of mod log federation on Lemmy, it’s not really possible to retroactively change mod action reasons currently. I am sorry about that. If this does end up causing problems for you in the future, you could point people to this thread for context.
Blamemeta@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Without going through every single comment you made on /c/con to find the homophobia, you were being uncivil, and you did create lemm.ee/u/ModsSuckMyFeetAndAsss@sh.itjust.works just to post about it?
I can reban you for generic uncivility, if that’s what you want. Hell, I’ve been down the road from the opposite end.
Also, calling Alice a karen is textbook sexism, so that’s another potential ban reason.
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Nice edit, Detective lmao
Alice@hilariouschaos.com 6 months ago
That community name is hilarious lol made me laugh
Alice@hilariouschaos.com 6 months ago
People are generically uncivil in real life. What’s your strategy there?
I think both of you need to just like chill out. It’s just the internet not the end of the world
moon@lemmy.cafe 6 months ago
Who cares lol, if you suspect then just jump to another instance. You aren’t helpless. They could start banning people for writing an odd amount of vowels if they wanted to, and they’d be in the right.
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
That’s not my concern but thanks.
Hyperreality@kbin.social 6 months ago
Here's the thing: no one's going to do anything about it, but technically this may amount to libel.
On reddit you're banned via private message, so no one knows why you'd been banned, even if the reason is bogus. If someone accuses you of something in a comment, you can defend yourself. You have the right to reply. But in the fediverse you're banned and if the mod does it for a made-up reason, that false reason is publicly viewable in the modlog without you being able to do anything about it. They've maliciously damaged your reputation without any recourse, right to defend yourself / right of reply.
Now imagine at one point their username is linked to their actual name. An employer does a google, finds they've been banned for homophobia. They're fired for allegedly being homophobic on social media. At that point, a good lawyer could potentially prove libel and damages caused. OP's clearly annoyed. Now imagine someone with too much time and money on his hands.
It's real amateur hour shit. Sure being sued for libel is incredibly unlikely, but there are only downsides to not erring on the side of caution with stuff like this. Want to ban someone? Make up a generic or non-defamatory reason, or simply call them a dickhead, and go on with your day.
Stuff like this, the failure to respect GDPR/Privacy and NetzDG laws, a failure to properly deal with CSAM material... it's a ticking time bomb under the whole fediverse.
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
@sunaurus@lemm.ee ?
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Here’s my take on it- if you were posting in the conservative community you were looking for a fight. They post bad faith takes and misinformation with a ferocity that Russia would be proud of.
But what’s your expected resolution here? Lemm.ee is an instance built around curating your own experience. Clearly the conservative community is detrimental to your experience, so if I were you I’d stay away.
The only other alternative is lemme.ee admins step in, which goes against the philosophy of the instance
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
A lot of replies are missing the point. I know full well that sub is full of garbage and I don’t care I got banned. The issue is, why are moderators listing fake reasons on the public mod log?
glimse@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Mods can ban you from their community for any reason they want
Not saying you should have been banned but it’s his community to do what he wants with. Stamets banned me from c/Tumblr without warning for making a joke he didn’t like lol
calavera@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Moderators own shit.
I’m a moderator for a community, but never in my mind this idea came to me. I’m just there to help the community and that’s all.
Ultimately the only one who owns it is the admin
glimse@lemmy.world 6 months ago
You’re what’s known as a “good moderator” and frankly, I think most mods fit that description, too.
But you have the control of your community, that’s part of the appeal of Lemmy. Once admins start policing petty disagreements, we’re moving toward reddit
BobaFuttbucker@reddthat.com 6 months ago
Is this the right way to get admin attention then? If no, what is the proper recourse?
Mods should have the power to ban I just don’t want to be banned for made up BS reasons.
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 6 months ago
The admin owns the instance the community is on, but the communities themselves are created by moderators. They can do whatever they want that doesn’t break the rules that govern the entire instance.
TWeaK@lemm.ee 6 months ago
Moderators don’t own the community, but they own the community address - they have absolute control over it and can set the rules. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new address and make their own, with blackjack and hookers, etc.
The admin owns the instance, which in turn can overrule the moderators. If the community don’t like that, they’re free to move to a new instance, with blackjack and hookers, etc.
Basically the whole system was set up so everyone will eventually have blackjack and hookers.
fartington@lemm.ee 6 months ago
I understand that, I don’t care that I was banned from that sub, it’s trash. But why is listing an incorrect reason allowed?
glimse@lemmy.world 6 months ago
Mods can be trolls, too. This one in question thinks that Trump is on his side because his income is in the top 5% (if I’m remembering correctly) which should tell you what kind of person he is
I’m not gonna dig through your profile or the mod log to see what kind of comments you left but I haven’t been banned despite the criticisms I’ve posted so id imagine imagine what you said was probably worse…so I totally get why he didn’t want you commenting there. Someone quoting Bible verses would probably get banned from c/atheism
I get why you’re annoyed if you didn’t post anything homophobic but I’d just drop it, shittalking on the conservative board isn’t worth your time especially because they’re certainly not gonna learn from it
palebluethought@lemmy.world 6 months ago
“allowed” by who?
Alice@hilariouschaos.com 6 months ago
Kinda counterproductive though don’t you think ? If a person is that emotionally fragile they are not able manage things if they’re getting their feelings involved like that
glimse@lemmy.world 6 months ago
What do you mean counterproductive?