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Cossty@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I didnt know so many servers still run windows.
Issue is not just on servers, but endpoints also. Servers are something that you can relatively easily fix, because they are either virtualized or physically in same location.
But endpoints you might have thousand physical locations, and IT need to visit all of them (POS, info/commercial displays, IoT sensors etc.).
Parent comment applies even more so to such endpoints imo
Do IoT sensors really run windows? If not, how are they affected?
I can’t imagine how much work it would be to migrate all your services onto Linux. The problem was people adopting windows in the first place.
I love the Linux bros coming out of the woodwork on this one when this could have very well have been Linux on the receiving end of this shit show. Given that it’s a kernal level software issue, and not necessarily an OS one.
It’s largely infeasible to use Linux for many, most, of these endpoints. But facts are hard.
Hey man, let us have this one. Any immutable/atomic distribution could have either prevented this or easily rolled back the update. Not to mention a Linux offering by something like Red Hat, for example, wouldnt recommend installing closed source third party kernel modules for exactly this reason. Not sure about the feasibility of these endpoints, but they way things are generally done on, and the philosophy of, Linux could very well have avoided this catastrophe.
Can you explain what is immutable/atomic distribution and how it can prevent this?
The is no single Linux. It’s not a monoculture like that. There are many distros with different build options, different configurations and different components.
Also culture is different. Very few Linux admins would be happy putting in a closed blob kernel driver for anything. In Windows world that’s the norm, but not Linux.
What’s just happened to Windows world would be harder in Linux world. At worse, one distros rolls out a killer update. Some distros would just reboot to the previous kernel.
They are just butt hurt that this whole thing really shines a light on how inaccurate the line of “the world runs on Linux” truly is.
Just to clarify: the world runs in linux servers. The market share for the non-server market is abysmal.
🐧: what is my purpose? 🧑💼: you run web servers 🐧: oh my god
The Linux kernel has a special kernel extension scheme specifically to keep software like CloudStrike from crashing it ebpf.io/what-is-ebpf/ This is supported by CloudStrike on recent versions of Linux (if you’re running an older version, then yes CloudStrike still has the ability to ruin your day)
My former employer had a bunch of windows servers providing remote desktops for us to access some proprietary (and often legacy) mission critical software.
Part of the security policy was that any machines in the possession of end users were assumed to be untrustworthy, so they kept the applications locked down on the servers.
I kinda wish my employer would do something like this for our current applications. Right before I started working there they switched from giving engineers desktops to laptops (work station laptops but still). There are some advantages to having a laptop like being able to work from home or use it in a meeting, but I would much prefer the extra power from a desktop. In mind the best of both worlds would be to have a relatively cheap laptop that basically acts as a thin client so that I can RDP into a dedicated server or workstation for my engineering applications. But what do I know ¯_(ツ)_/¯
It was a pain in the ass more often than not. If the application server was having trouble the entire department was at a standstill.
And getting config files, licence files, log files and the like in and out of the system was a long convoluted process.
We often joked that we were so secure that our hands were tied.
On prem AD. At least for my MSP’s clients. Have been pushing hard last few years to migrate to azure.
Proxmox with windows containers is used widely
CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 3 months ago
I’m the corporate world, very much Windows gets used. I know Lemmy likes a circle jerk around Linux. But in the corporate world you find various OS’s for both desktop and servers. I had to support several different OS’s and developed only for two. They all suck in different ways there are no clear winners.
Dark_Arc@social.packetloss.gg 3 months ago
It’s not just a cycley jerk in this case. Worried is dominant for desktop usage but Linux has like 90% of the server market and is used for basically all new server projects.
Paying for Windows licensing when it doesn’t benefit you, it’s silly, and that’s been realized for years.
EnderMB@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Web servers, sure, but even companies that manage infrastructure like Google and Amazon have a LOT of Windows servers kicking around for shit like AD, Outlook, Federation, Office/Teams, etc.
Alborlin@lemmy.world 3 months ago
Thank för addressing Lemmy circlejerk för Linux . They really take it far