You’re doing the thing the artist intended lol
Comment on Mona: Australia women's-only museum files appeal to keep men out
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well isn’t that about some hypocritical shit?!
From the article…
“The lounge, which contains some of the museum’s most-acclaimed works - from Picasso to Sidney Nolan - has been closed to the public since the court’s order.”
Both Pablo Picasso and Sidney Nolan were both men!
If they’re gonna play that ‘women only’ card, then they should remove all works created by men and move them to a proper open museum.
protist@mander.xyz 1 month ago
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Point is, art is art, and a museum is a museum. Anyone mature enough should be allowed to enter any museum they want and view whatever exhibits they want.
That gender specific crap can and does end up going both ways. And it shouldn’t be that way, anywhere.
protist@mander.xyz 1 month ago
In a world where there are millions of men who actually believe women are advantaged over men in today’s society, it’s interesting to see the international uproar occurring over this single exhibit that made that belief actually true. A single exhibit at a sex museum in Tasmania that’s literally about reverse gender discrimination.
fiat_lux@kbin.social 1 month ago
A single exhibit at a sex museum in Tasmania
Small point of order: MONA, despite how it sounds when pronounced as an acronym, is not a sex museum. It's the Museum of Old and New Art. You may return to your debate.
Personally, I'm finding the whole thing delicious. As someone who went to university in a building where the post-graduate / staff floor didn't have a female bathroom - likely because when it was built women were only expected to clean and serve tea in that space - I appreciate the artist and museum setting official legal precedent around this topic. And doing so with panache.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
And I find this funny, but in the sad way ☹️
Folks trying to fight sexual discrimination with sexual discrimination… 🤦♂️
Those that dispute, fight and argue about such things that way don’t even seem to realize that they’re just contributing to the problem.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 1 month ago
If they’re gonna play that ‘women only’ card, then they should remove all works created by men and move them to a proper open museum.
Why?
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
That was a sarcastic thought meant to make people think.
What they really should do is like not discriminate. It’s a museum, every person mature enough, men and women, should be welcome to go view whatever artwork and exhibits they have.
Liz@midwest.social 1 month ago
Picasso was a massive misogynist, too. I haven’t any idea who Nolan is.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
It didn’t take me long to research into Sidney Nolan, but at the same time I do have more and more reason by the day to doubt historical facts found online… 🤷♂️
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
The amount of people/men who don’t get it is astonishing. Art isn’t just something you can put on a wall. This entire thing with excluding men is an art installation, supposed to generate emotions and a discussion about exclusion and gender disparity. And seeing how many men around the world are frothing at the mouth over an installation at a small museum at the end of the world it is an extremely powerful piece of art. I applaud the museum for this.
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 1 month ago
There are still places that are men only. Women can’t join the freemasons for example, but you don’t see this sort of extremely angry reaction to that.
And I agree, this art piece is doing exactly what it was supposed to.
vonbaronhans@midwest.social 1 month ago
Huh. Let women into the Freemasons, I guess?
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 1 month ago
That’d be ideal, but I don’t really see that happening tbh. There’s a women’s version of the freemasons, but it’s not nearly as popular or active as far as I can tell.
HauntedCupcake@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Do you have any more examples other than the freemasons? I had assumed we were done with needless segregation (excluding bathrooms and such).
The only thing that makes sense in my mind is that male dominated spaces have non-explicit social barriers in place that are being approximated by the explicit barrier the museum has set up.
In the UK there’s golf clubs that have pretty toxic atmospheres and dress codes but aren’t legally allowed to bar women.
Sorry if this is super ignorant
JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 1 month ago
I’m from the US, but here it’s mostly fraternal lodges that still ban women, and certain religious groups(which I don’t think those technically count due to separation of church and state). But the Order of Oddfellows, Fraternal Order of Eagles, Freemasons, and the Botherhood of St Andrew don’t initiate women. Im sure theres more but i dont know about them.
Granted those have some religious influence, but aren’t churches directly as far as I understand. Also the skull and bones, but they’re very secretive and that could have changed and no one would be the wiser.
I’m not sure about other countries laws, but in the US private institutions are more or less allowed to segregate by gender, but often there’s backlash and they lose money so most won’t go there. That’s why it’s mostly these secretive fraternal orders that still do it.
fiat_lux@kbin.social 1 month ago
The end of the world is a fair description, but small is not. It is the largest privately funded museum in the Southern Hemisphere and has 6000m² (64583 ft²) of gallery space.
quindraco@lemm.ee 1 month ago
You’re applauding a troll for trolling successfully?
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Intent matters. If all you just want is to piss off people, that’s trolling. I don’t see this being the point here.
quindraco@lemm.ee 1 month ago
That is the artist’s explicitly intended point.
LwL@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I appreciate some good trolling that doesn’t actually harm anyone. And in this case it also certainly generated discussion, so I’d say it’s more than trolling anyway.
over_clox@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, well my late father was a painter, and his number one rule was that he didn’t paint stuff to be hidden away. One of his last wishes was to make sure people see his artworks.
It’s up to the people that view his works as to their thoughts and opinions.
Larry@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“I was an asshole as a work of art, not because I am an asshole”
IzzyJ@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re right, but to play devil’s advocate; that’s extremely unintuitive and took me to my 20s to figure out
state_electrician@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Well, the mean age here seems to be over 30, so I’d expect a tad more maturity.
Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 1 month ago
“Maturity”, defined as being willing to accept explicit sex discrimination, so long as said discrimination penalizes men (as men are an acceptable target for discrimination)?