⚠️ WARNING: On android, mashing the power button 5 times calls emergency services…
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carl_dungeon@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Last week, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in California released a ruling that concluded state highway police were acting lawfully when they forcibly unlocked a suspect’s phone using their fingerprint.
You can turn that and Face ID off on iOS by mashing the power button 5 times- it locks everything down.
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
then_three_more@lemmy.world 2 months ago
On android you can add a ‘lockdown’ mode to the power menu.
USSEthernet@startrek.website 2 months ago
Thanks for this, didn’t know this was an option.
PresidentCamacho@lemm.ee 2 months ago
on my phone lockdown mode is found by pressing side button and power up at the same time, then selection lockdown from the menu
victorz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Not on my Pixel 6. 🤷♂️
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Cool, you disabled the gesture. Clearly the default SO setting doesn’t apply to you…
victorz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I didn’t even know it existed. I had to search to find the setting, but I see it exists on my phone and it’s disabled. I don’t recall disabling it though.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Have to tried? On my Samsung pressing twice does the camera (as I’ve set it to) but doing 5 times tries to call emergency services.
Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
They disabled it . I don’t understand why they even commented. It reads like some weird flex
victorz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I did, yeah. Gotta test before commenting, of course. I see I have the setting disabled for some reason. Don’t recall disabling it though.
UnityDevice@startrek.website 2 months ago
There are two ways you can do this on Android currently, but they’re not as quick. You can try to unlock with the wrong finger 5 times and it will stop allowing fingerprint unlocks. Or, you can hold down the power button for 10 seconds and the phone will reboot and also disable fingerprint unlocking.
MostlyGibberish@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Android has a similar feature. It’s called “Lockdown mode” on the shutdown menu. Locks the phone and turns off any biometric unlocks.
Bonehead@kbin.social 2 months ago
Except it doesn't activate by mashing the power button 5 times. On my Pixel 8, that activates the emergency dialer that will automatically call 911 if you don't cancel the prompt in 5 seconds. I did not know that before. Probably a better use for that feature. It also points out the different ideologies of Apple vs Android.
AbidanYre@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My wife’s pixel 3(?) with a flaky power button had us wake up to cops knocking on the door because of that feature.
Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
You can turn it off somewhere in the settings
dojan@lemmy.world 2 months ago
On iOS, for SOS, Medical ID, and “slide to power off” you hold power and a volume button. That also disables biometric ID.
Today@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Push and hold to get the power menu on my 7.
Bonehead@kbin.social 2 months ago
On my 8, that just activates the Google assistant. To get to the power menu, you have to press power (oddly named button, to be honest) and vol up at the same time. But these are active acts that you have to think about and verify to make sure they did what they are supposed to. Mashing the power button 5 times is succinct. I don't have to guess how many seconds I've waited. I don't have to feel to make sure I'm hitting the vol up instead of vol down accidentally. I count 5 times, 6 to make sure, and I can drop it while being certain that it's going to call 911. That's what I want in an emergency. A quick distinct action that requires no guessing to make sure of works. It makes sense once you stop and think. Nothing else about the power button makes sense, but at least that part does.
tamiya_tt02@lemmy.world 2 months ago
On my Pixel 7 Pro, I press the power and volume up buttons simultaneously, then I can click Lockdown. Now my passcode is required to unlock the phone.
pirat@lemmy.world 2 months ago
On my ditto (running GrapheneOS), the Lockdown option is accessible through the regular power button menu. When I press power+volumeUp it switches to silent mode. I don’t know if/where I changed this, since I can’t find the options when searching in settings.
Tiefa@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I was mowing my lawn and learned about that feature. A nice ladies voice came through my bluetooth headphones asking if I needed help lol. You can change what the button spam does and I changed it to call my mom instead.
ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 2 months ago
In a getting pulled over situation, this works. But do it before you go protest anything. Or better yet, leave your phone at home. You don’t want to be reaching for something while a cop is pointing a gun at you and saying “Hands up!”
devfuuu@lemmy.world [bot] 2 months ago
Not to mention it’s pretty regular to track who is participating by checking the towers in the zone all the people are participating.
thegreekgeek@midwest.social 2 months ago
Or get a geofence warrant
merde@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
☞ EFF / Surveillance Self-Defense / Attending a Protest
NightAuthor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Didn’t know EFF had this, neat
someguy3@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s terrifying. So once we have tech to see inside the brain, that’s will be legal too,
slaacaa@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“You shouldn’t be worried if you have nothing to hide” 🤷♂️
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devfuuu@lemmy.world [bot] 2 months ago
Tou think it wouldn’t xD?
kevincox@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Probably. Wouldn’t it be good to have the truth during investigations?
However I think that we really need refine when warrantless searches can occur. Right now many searches seem to be done with very little evidence to justify them. I think this protection should apply to your mind and phone just like it applies to your house. This probably also needs to be considered at border crossings. Right now they have basically unlimited rights for searching what you have on you with little to no evidence.
We should probably also rethink about how the information is shared when there is a warrant. Right now during a trial a huge amount of personal information can be made available. Maybe if it was easier to get precise information less would be needed.
Moose@moose.best 2 months ago
Wouldn’t it be good to have the truth during investigations?
Well, yeah, but the mind is fallible. That’s why eye witness testimony usually only gets a case so far, people tend to forget specifics and fill in the gaps without realizing they did.
kevincox@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
That is important to remember but it is sort of orthogonal to the point being made. Assuming that mind-reading worked perfectly you can find the truth about what the person believes. In most cases if they think they murdered the person and the gun is hidden behind the oak in their backyard it is beyond a reasonable doubt. I think it is still useful to have the truth about what that person believes, even if we have to remember that their beliefs are fallible.
KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
However I think that we really need refine when warrantless searches can occur. Right now many searches seem to be done with very little evidence to justify them. I think this protection should apply to your mind and phone just like it applies to your house. This probably also needs to be considered at border crossings. Right now they have basically unlimited rights for searching what you have on you with little to no evidence.
to be fair to the current justice system, a lot of times you can just hit the courts with “excuse me sir, this was unwarranted” and assuming it was actually unwarranted, they should overthrow it immediately.
conciselyverbose@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Not if it comes with a level of invasiveness that is unforgivable it wouldn’t be.
Forcibly invading someone’s mind after they were convicted beyond reasonable doubt would make you a monster.
kevincox@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Most trials and discoveries are already incredibly invasive. I don’t really see why the mind should be treated much differently. I would rather define what is acceptable evasiveness generally than different for mind vs written down in my diary.
Also why would you do this after they are convicted beyond reasonable doubt? This should only be done when required to reach the conclusion. Just like avoiding physical searches you can just plead guilty if you don’t want to be investigated.
If used properly this could actually be less invasive. Imagine a quick check of some facts that you believe with an automated machine that only returns the basic required information and you could be removed from the suspect list before other searches need to be done (like lawyers searching through your emails or personal notes).
I agree that this is a very dangerous thing to consider, and it needs to be applied very carefully. But I don’t think it is in the abstract any more morally wrong than the current methods of evidence gathering that we currently do. In many ways it could potentially be less harmful to the person being investigated. However it will be impossible to know for sure until we know how exactly this technology (when it is developed) works.
FederatedSaint@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Do you have to mash it? Or will pressing it normally work?
teacup@lemmynsfw.com 2 months ago
The only thing I’ll mash is that subscribe button
EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 2 months ago
NO
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.de 2 months ago
Pretty sure Apple would replace the buttons with pressure sensors – not for user comfort but so that they are no longer replaceable with OEM parts and can be serialized. They did literally this with Macbook sleep sensors.
catloaf@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Assuming you have the access to do this, e.g. awake, conscious, not handcuffed, etc. It’s safer to just always use a PIN in the first place.
ccunning@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can also just long press a volume button with the lock button (with a FaceID phone). I find this harder to mess up under stress.
HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
On Graphene/Calyx you can auto-restart the phone after a given time period if it hasn’t been interacted with. Recommend turning this on for all users.
cflewis@programming.dev 2 months ago
What’s the name of this feature for GrapheneOS? I’m not finding it.
HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Try searching for auto reboot, or some sort of extra security settings menu.
hubobes@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
Just hold volume up and power for 3 seconds.
tsonfeir@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Came here to say that! Glad it’s getting around.
BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ve always wanted a setting to create a lockdown key and an unlock key. So something like middle-finger to unlock but index-finger to force it into PIN/password only mode. So you can have some convenience of a quick unlock but if an authority figure asks or forces you to unlock it you can one-tap lock it down.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
That would be awesome.
png@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
In GrapheneOS, a single wrong fingerprint disables fingerprint unlock until the password is entered.
FutileRecipe@lemmy.world 2 months ago
That’s not correct. It just says not recognized, and let’s you try again. I just tested it. Do you have documentation that it should work the way you said and mine is faulty?