All of the alternatives eventually run into the same “Will my banking app work on it?” problem. App economy is the one thing that can’t be solved by throwing software engineers at it, and it is what caused the death of Windows Phone.
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aesthelete@lemmy.world 2 days ago
please just make an android alternative
I want a phone that isn’t a closed ecosystem race to the bottom shit phone
rtxn@lemmy.world 2 days ago
vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
my banking app already doesn’t work on my phone, because it doesn’t like termux:x11 and an autoclicker i have installed for an idle game
Shumina@lemmus.org 2 days ago
God I fucking LOVED my windows phone. Nokia body, windows OS, and no one fucked with making viruses because eleventeen people bought one in total.
DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
🤣 Man… that phone from The Saint with the slide out full sized keyboard though. Peek Nokia.
xelar@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Lumias before Microsoft’ acquisition were peak phones.
anon_8675309@lemmy.world 2 days ago
They should work in a browser no?
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 2 days ago
Not for things like check deposits, unfortunately
Andres4NY@social.ridetrans.it 2 days ago @PabloSexcrowbar @anon_8675309 When my bank _doesn't_ allow check deposits via website, I will switch banks. Ain't installing a stupid app for a _bank_ of all things, and why would I bank from a device that I could accidentally lose at the grocery store?
homik@slrpnk.net 2 days ago
Well, that’s fine since it isn’t 1982 anymore. Right?
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Many banks require apps for 2FA. This varies greatly by country.
cactus_head@programming.dev 2 days ago
There are open source 2FA. They require like specific apps OTP or something else?
DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Right. It wasn’t the zune guy, limited adoption, Microserfs killing the platform after 7 years or a general lack of interest, a climate of distrust after 10 years of garbage operating systems with new logos and the same Windows NT internals…
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 days ago
i hope linux phones succeed
Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I feel like that won’t be enough. Google is working on locking down the entire internet unless you can pass their reCaptcha with a verified device. See this article related to GrapheneOS and their reCaptcha concerns.
Sites need to stop using reCaptcha or we are all doomed anyway.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 2 days ago
I’m pretty sure that custom roms will remove that 24hr wait period from their binaries. Android is still open source and removing a check isn’t going to be very hard for them.
The tech ecosystem is as open as you can. Use linux. Use SearxNG. Use graphene or other custom roms. There’s options out there, you just have to start adopting them instead of just complaining online about having no choice.
garbage_world@lemmy.world 2 days ago
AOSP is open source, android isn’t
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 day ago
I might have misunderstood that all those years, but custom roms like graphene or lineage all use the AOSP source to build “their” stuff on top. Android itself is all the proprietary shit google adds and probably bunch of proprietary firmware drivers, which isn’t relevant in the slightest if you switch to a supported device.
garbage_world@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not quite, but I would accept that.
AOSP is an open source OS based on a Linux kernel. Importantly, it is not a linux distro. GrapheneOS and LineageOS are downstream, open source derivatives of AOSP. Android is the same, but is proprietary.
Android isn’t just what is added on top of AOSP, just like Ubuntu isn’t just things added on top of Debian, but a complete OS.
Hope that helps
Aceofspades@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Google reCaptcha enters the chat.
This whole APK dicussion is important, but Google is taking steps to lock down the bloody internet if you aren’t on a verified iOS or Android device. This will be far reaching going way beyond the APK changes.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Not everybody has a choice. I’m currently on grapheneos, but it looks like I may be forced back to android due to national ID requirements.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
I guess one solution to that is to have a second used or ultra low cost phone just for your personal ID and banking stuff. But then it’s no longer really mobile lol.
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip 1 day ago
If your country forces you on a locked down OS for ID requirements, something is wrong entirely. You should absolutely make some noise against that and urge them to allow custom OS. That’s a political issue, not a technical.
AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s not going to go anywhere in my country, unfortunately. Not even a blip on the radar.
Mubelotix@jlai.lu 2 days ago
The issue is the hardware, we already have software
quick_snail@feddit.nl 1 day ago We already have the hardware too
Mubelotix@jlai.lu 1 day ago
Not ours, we depend on it
ripcord@lemmy.world 2 days ago
OK but that is about a 10000x bigger project
DataCrime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 days ago
Rejoice. As an Android owner, you have options of And-nodroid 😉
jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 days ago
There are, but the market is rigged by monopolists. And things like banks increasingly require apps that won’t even run on customer Android ROMs easily.
The regulators are needed here.
lemmysmash@piefed.social 2 days ago
The problem with regulators is that they a) gladly suck corporate dicks, b) gladly opt-in for the same authoritarian methods of population control, and c) gladly ignore common sense altogether.
karlhungus@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
“a” has a name: regulatory capture.
Regulators have in the past fulfilled their role, they’ve just been hamstrung.
jabjoe@feddit.uk 2 days ago
That is also because we let the companies get too big. We need to break them up. The market is completely dysfunctional. It is feudalism right now.